RE: Accessible tables

Thanks for your input Brian.
However, as a developer for the US Federal Govt, most
of the agencys I deal with have very strict guidelines
and a review panel for every page that goes up. The
Access Board, DoT, DoJ and Treasury all require
reqiure a complete summary attribute for all tables
(layout or not) as well as "blank" in all empty cells
and "spacer" in all place holding gifs.
I use IBM Hompage and JAWS to double check the flow of
the pages, but they still have to go to a review
committee, each of whom rely on assistive technologies
to do thier jobs.
OK, when I do non-Gov sites I tend to follow your
model but they do not have to be 508...

Barry

--- brian walker <bwalker5(at)tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> As a screen reader user, I personally do not want
> layout tables identified
> as such. It is just extra verbiage.
> 
> The table specific commands available through my
> screen reader are
> intentionally not functional in tables with only one
> row. This works very
> well.
> 
> I do not use summary attributes in the tables I
> create unless they are:
> 
> 1. data tables
> 2. complex enough that a summary truly adds value,
> i.e. makes the table
> easier to understand.
> 
> I may be blind, but I do not think it is that
> difficult to figure out.
> 
> However, I recognize that mileage may vary for
> others.
> 
> Brian
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aware-techniques(at)hwg.org
> [mailto:owner-aware-techniques(at)hwg.org]On Behalf Of
> Barry Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 3:05 PM
> To: aware-techniques(at)hwg.org
> Subject: Re: Accessible tables
> 
> 
> Until all browsers recognize CSS, the Accesibility
> Community has nothing against using tables for
> layout,
> as long as they are identified as such...
> 
> Barry
> 
> --- Pam Ware <tam(at)gn.apc.org> wrote:
> > At 10:59 26/02/02, Barry wrote:
> > >But don't forget to use the summary attribute!
> > ><table (size) (border) (etc) summary="Table used
> > for
> > >layout.">
> > I thought the goal was to use tables only for
> table
> > data, not for layout -
> > and move towards CSS positioning? If so, any
> > suggestions of how best to do
> > that in order to include navigation bars, related
> > links etc. as well as
> > main page content?
> > TIA,
> > Pam
> >
> 
> 
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