RE: HWG AWARE-TECHNIQUES (was Hello?)
by "Mike Paciello" <paciello(at)webable.com>
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"John Foliot - Another 4:00 AM Web Thing" <foliot(at)fouram.com> |
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John:
I agree that Adobe PDF v5 is not for the average user -- but it's definately
an upgrade from previous releases. Regarding backwards compatibility -- I
can take pre-v5 files, re-process them to created tagged-PDF files, and they
are certainly readable. PDF's major shortcoming (always has been) are tables
and complex math/science notation.
Personalization engine....yup, the operative word is, "yet"...
Mike
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Foliot - Another 4:00 AM Web Thing [mailto:foliot(at)fouram.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 4:18 PM
> To: paciello(at)webable.com
> Cc: aware-techniques(at)hwg.org
> Subject: RE: HWG AWARE-TECHNIQUES (was Hello?)
>
>
> Mike,
>
> >From what I have experienced (limited - I'm the first to admit), the
> "accessibility" features of Adobe's PDF 5 offering are limited at best,
> complicated in many ways, and most importantly (for those of you
> out there),
> not backward compatible.
>
> As for that "personalization machine" - XML, CSS, XSL - the ideas are out
> there, it's the browsers that don't support (yet).
>
> Cheers!
>
> JF
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aware-techniques(at)hwg.org
> [mailto:owner-aware-techniques(at)hwg.org]On Behalf Of Mike Paciello
> Sent: January 23, 2002 3:48 PM
> To: Mike Livsey; aware-techniques(at)hwg.org
> Subject: RE: HWG AWARE-TECHNIQUES (was Hello?)
>
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> I'm sure that Kynn Bartlett (AWARE center creator) will respond soon. I
> suspect that much of the "dead air" is due (in part) to the
> recent merger of
> HWG with IWA. However, I have been led to believe that IWA is
> supportive of
> the AWARE mission. Likely we'll see progress in the near future.
>
> Regarding comments specific to Web Accessibility, I'm very glad to see
> interest is growing within mainstream web development companies.
> I can tell
> you that WebABLE has seen a dramatic increase in client interest --
> worldwide.
> Dell, Compaq, GE, and Fidelity to name a few.
>
> It is true that much of this has been stimulated via government mandates,
> like Section 508 or Canada's Common Look & Feel law. Currently, several EU
> and Asian countries are modifying their laws to promote E&IT
> accessibility.
>
> As Mike and John have indicated, building web accessibility into
> the web or
> web applications is not nearly is complex as many would have you
> believe. On
> the other hand, challenges still exist, mostly due to the lack of pure
> standards. MacroMedia, among several other companies is working hard to
> support accessibility within their platform offering. I expect that you'll
> see significant enhancements to Flash in the near future -- similar to the
> enhancements that Adobe has made for PDF.
>
> A brief note of caution -- where Section 508 compliance is concerned --
> creating an alternative text site is NOT an acceptable alternative unless
> there is no other solution.
>
> On the other hand, what's to stop anyone from going the next step and
> developing a personalization engine that serves a user content in whatever
> format they request it...
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
>
>
> Mike Paciello
> Founder
> WebABLE, Inc.
> Toll Free: +1.866.932.2253
> Office: +1.603.882.4122
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> E-mail: paciello(at)webable.com
> Web: www.webable.com
> Author: "Web Accessibility for People with Disabilities"
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-aware-techniques(at)hwg.org
> > [mailto:owner-aware-techniques(at)hwg.org]On Behalf Of Mike Livsey
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 3:06 PM
> > To: aware-techniques(at)hwg.org
> > Subject: Re: HWG AWARE-TECHNIQUES (was Hello?)
> >
> >
> > I've been wondering the same thing about this list and other HWG
> > activities.
> > Seems like things have slowed down a lot.
> >
> > I have not been to M*crom*dia's Accessibility seminar. I have
> > read good things
> > about it, but the info was posted on sites that fully support
> M*crom*dia's
> > software. You can view the webcast of the seminar from September
> > 6, 2001 at this
> >
> > link:
> > http://www.tvworldwide.com/event_macromedia_090501.cfm
> >
> > I am in Denver, CO. and am using the Level 1 and Level 2 WAI
> > Guidelines for all
> > of my websites which I have found to be fairly easy, for the
> most part, to
> > follow. I have found these guidelines to be a lot clear and concise and
> > up-to-date than the 508 guidelines. Which makes the WAI
> > guidelines stricter.
> >
> > The Canadian government has the right idea setting up an
> > Accessibility Testing
> > Service. I have not heard if the US government has such a service
> > for government
> >
> > sites. The corporation I work for was about to implement this
> > type of usability
> > lab, but then decided to cut the project.
> >
> > Just my $0.02 worth
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John Foliot - Another 4:00 AM Web Thing wrote:
> >
> > > In hindsite I probably should have had a more descriptive
> > Subject Line...
> > > "Hello/" tends to be the domain of spammers. My apologies...
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-aware-techniques(at)hwg.org
> > > [mailto:owner-aware-techniques(at)hwg.org]On Behalf Of John Foliot -
> > > Another 4:00 AM Web Thing
> > > Sent: January 23, 2002 1:32 PM
> > > To: aware-techniques(at)hwg.org
> > > Subject: Hello?
> > >
> > > This appears to be the sleepiest list I've ever subscribed to.
> > What's the
> > > problem? Are there really no issues, or does nobody but a very
> > small group
> > > of us actually care?
> > >
> > > - Yesterday I received an eMail from the good folk at
> M*crom*dia (names
> > > changed to protect the innocent) who have put on a travelling
> > road show to
> > > demonstrate the accessibility features in a number of their
> applications
> > > (both graphic and code tools). Has anyone been to any of
> these demos in
> > > their home town? Is it worth investing half a day of dog and
> pony show?
> > > Inquiring minds want to know...
> > >
> > > - As a Canadian web developer located in Ottawa, Ontario, list
> > members might
> > > be interested in the following fact: The Canadian Federal
> > Government has
> > > mandated all federal web sites be compliant to the Level 1 and
> > Level 2 WAI
> > > Guidelines, similar to the Section 508 statute in the US, but, to my
> > > understanding, stricter. Can anybody confirm or deny this fact?
> > >
> > > - There is a dire need for developers who are both aware and
> > able to code to
> > > these standards... hint<wink>. The Canadian government has provided a
> > > testing group to assist governmental employees who actually
> > work on federal
> > > sites (http://www.cio-dpi.gc.ca/clf-upe/1/wats/wats_e.asp) to
> help them
> > > identify and correct potential problems. Attendees
> consistently ask if
> > > there are any "real time" support mechanisms out there. I
> would love to
> > > recommend this list, but the last posting was dated October 8th, 2001.
> > >
> > > So, show of hands... is there anybody out there?
> > >
> > > JF
> > > Ottawa, Ont.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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