RE: Black Hole and RE: Sound files

Hi Roger,

The first object element is to make it work in IE. The second
is to ensure that it also works in non-IE browsers. So if you
do not wish to exclude Gecko browser users, then yes, you
should include the conditional comment, and of course,
don't forget to replace the ... with the actual code.

Regards
Sophia

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hwg-basics(at)hwg.org [mailto:owner-hwg-basics(at)hwg.org]On Behalf Of
PC-Bug Fixer
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 2:12 AM
To: hwg-basics(at)hwg.org
Subject: Black Hole and RE: Sound files


Hello Sophia, and Keith

I did send a previous e-mail to the hwg-basics - list to thank
you Sophia - but alas it ended up in the black hole (0spam.com I
think)

I made some changes to the scrip you sent and it works - got the
W3C 4.01 Cert.
Now have 3 pages on my site completed.

Changes are as follows, AutoStart = True, and ShowControls =
False (it works)

<object classid="CLSID:22d6f312-b0f6-11d0-94ab-0080c74c7e95"
id="mediaplayer1" height="40" width="120">
<param name="Filename" value="webwav/WelcomeMessage.wav">
<param name="AutoStart" value="True">
<param name="ShowControls" value="False">
<param name="ShowStatusBar" value="False">
<param name="ShowDisplay" value="False">
<param name="AutoRewind" value="True">
</object>

I placed these at the bottom of my web page codes and it does a
good job in that it seems to only play when the page is fully
loaded = good on - like that - bonus without knowing.

Now you Guys got me confused, should I be adding the extra codes
you now suggest, i.e. the -

<!--[if !IE]>
    <-->
    <object data="webwav/WelcomeMessage.wav" height="40"
width="120"
    type="audio/x-mpeg">
      ...
    </object>
    <!-->
    <![endif]-->

before the end - </object> ???

Also, did I place the code in the correct location (at the end)
on the page script ??

Hope this gets on the hwg-basics list if not I have added you and
Keith in the BCC

Thanks again, from Roger H.


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hwg-basics(at)hwg.org
[mailto:owner-hwg-basics(at)hwg.org]On
Behalf Of Keith D Sellars
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 5:55 AM
To: digitek(at)cytanet.com.cy; hwg-basics(at)hwg.org
Subject: Re: Sound files


Sophia,

Very nicely done.  You're also right in that you pretty much have
to use
some type of browser sniffing code and write the code to the page
depending
upon what browser is used.  I long for the day when all browsers
are
compliant with the standards so that these types of issues are
easier to
deal with.

I teach part time at the college in our city.  Try figuring out
the best way
to teach things like embedding sound files when there is really
no truly
established single "right" way of doing it.

Sincerely,
Keith D Sellars
WebGraffix
Ph: 229-243-7088
www.webgraffix.com

"Making the Internet Easy"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sophia Kapterian (E-mail)" <digitek(at)cytanet.com.cy>
To: <hwg-basics(at)hwg.org>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:33 AM
Subject: RE: Sound files


> You're quite right. I recently had to embed an .swf file into a
page and
in
> order to make it compliant and accessible at the same time, I
had to
resort
> to two nested object elements and use conditional comments to
have it
> work in both browsers providing the user with an image if no
plugins were
> available.
>
> Therefore a little modification to the original code, to put
the two
> together:
>
> The first object is for IE and the conditional for Gecko
browsers.
>
> <object classid="CLSID:22d6f312-b0f6-11d0-94ab-0080c74c7e95"
> id="mediaplayer1" height="40" width="120">
>     <param name="Filename" value="webwav/WelcomeMessage.wav">
>     <param name="AutoStart" value="False">
>     <param name="ShowControls" value="True">
>     <param name="ShowStatusBar" value="False">
>     <param name="ShowDisplay" value="False">
>     <param name="AutoRewind" value="True">
>
>     <!--[if !IE]>
>     <-->
>     <object data="webwav/WelcomeMessage.wav" height="40"
width="120"
>    type="audio/x-mpeg">
>      ...
>     </object>
>     <!-->
>     <![endif]-->
> </object>
>
> Regards
> Sophia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-hwg-basics(at)hwg.org
[mailto:owner-hwg-basics(at)hwg.org]On Behalf
Of
> Keith D Sellars
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 3:34 PM
> To: hwg-basics(at)hwg.org
> Subject: Re: Sound files
>
>
> As a little bit of added information on your suggestion (which
was right
on
> target), the "clsid" part of the tag instructs the user's
computer to use
> Windows Media Player.  The tag only works in Internet Explorer
UNLESS a
> plugin is specified (there IS one for Mozilla that will allow
this to
work).
>
> The more correct standards compliant way to do this is:
>
> <object type="audio/x-mpeg" data="soundfilename.mp3"></object>
>
> ... although I'm not sure if Internet Explorer will support it
properly
yet.
>
> In the above code snippet, "type" specifies the MIME type, and
is usually
> one of the following:
>
>  .au (almost all browsers will play this type of file) - MIME
type:
> audio/basic
> .wav - MIME type: audio/wav OR audio/x-wav
>  .ra - Real Audio - MIME type: x-pn-realaudio
>  . mid - MIDI files - MIME type: audio/midi or audio/x-midi
>  . mp3 - MPEG-1 Audio Layer 3 - MIME type: audio/mpeg or
audio/x-mpeg
>
> In the above explanation, use of the "x-" prefix before the
audio type is
> used when the MIME type is registered with the Standards
organizations
(like
> the W3C).
>
> Embedding sound is, in my opinion, one of the most unclear
issues involved
> in designing a web page if you want to do so in a way that is
compliant
AND
> that works at the same time.
>
> Sincerely,
> Keith D Sellars
> WebGraffix
> Ph: 229-243-7088
> www.webgraffix.com
>
> "Making the Internet Easy"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sophia Kapterian (E-mail)" <digitek(at)cytanet.com.cy>
> To: <hwg-basics(at)hwg.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 1:45 AM
> Subject: Sound files
>
>
> > Hi Roger,
> >
> > As far as I know, the bgsound was never part of the
specification.
> >
> > So try the following valid code to see if it works.
> >
> > <object classid="CLSID:22d6f312-b0f6-11d0-94ab-0080c74c7e95"
> > id="mediaplayer1" height="40" width="120">
> > <param name="Filename" value="webwav/WelcomeMessage.wav">
> > <param name="AutoStart" value="False">
> > <param name="ShowControls" value="True">
> > <param name="ShowStatusBar" value="False">
> > <param name="ShowDisplay" value="False">
> > <param name="AutoRewind" value="True">
> > </object>
> >
> > And for more information on the object element and its
attributes, you
may
> > like to go through
> > the following tutorial:  http://tutorials.beginn
ers.co.ukreadid315
> >
> >
> > HTH
> > Sophia
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-hwg-basics(at)hwg.org
[mailto:owner-hwg-basics(at)hwg.org]On
Behalf
> Of
> > PC-Bug Fixer
> > Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 4:42 AM
> > To: hwg-basics(at)hwg.org
> > Subject: RE: I GIVE UP !!!!Re: test
> >
> >
> > OK, seems that the list is starting to work again and the
posting
> > I made to the list is on the list the same day (AU EST)
> >
> > In some way a list such as this may be a good community type
> > involvement on an International level and you get to talk and
> > respond to thing that otherwise you might not.
> >
> > For those that do not want to be involved where they get
> > everything from a community type e-mail list such as this,
there
> > is of course the Forum that GIO started, which has it's
merits,
> > in that you only get involved when you log in and only reply
to
> > things that are of specific interest to you.
> >
> > So after all this, I still do not have an answer to my Sound
code
> > problem on my main page and would like some help. The error
is
> > with any of the 2 codes I have embedded which the W3C
validation
> > service keeps knocking back with the following 11 ( 3 on line
20
> > for 1st code and 8 on line 444 for the second code, which is
the
> > code as per instructions for their type) error messages;-
> >
> > START OF ERROR REPORT >>>
> > This page is not Valid HTML 4.01 Transitional!
> > Below are the results of attempting to parse this document
with
> > an SGML parser.
> >
> > Line 20, column 15: there is no attribute "SRC"
> > <BGSOUND src="webwav/WelcomeMessage.wav" loop="1">
> >
> > You have used the attribute named above in your document, but
the
> > document type you are using does not support that attribute
for
> > this element. This error is often caused by incorrect use of
the
> > "Strict" document type with a document that uses frames (e.g.
you
> > must use the "Transitional" document type to get the "target"
> > attribute), or by using vendor proprietary extensions such as
> > "marginheight" (this is usually fixed by using CSS to achieve
the
> > desired effect instead).
> >
> > This error may also result if the element itself is not
supported
> > in the document type you are using, as an undefined element
will
> > have no supported attributes; in this case, see the
> > element-undefined error message for further information.
> >
> > How to fix: check the spelling and case of the element and
> > attribute, (Remember XHTML is all lower-case) and/or check
that
> > they are both allowed in the chosen document type, and/or use
CSS
> > instead of this attribute.
> >
> > ?
> > Line 20, column 48: there is no attribute "LOOP"
> > <BGSOUND src="webwav/WelcomeMessage.wav" loop="1">
> >
> > ?
> > Line 20, column 51: element "BGSOUND" undefined
> > <BGSOUND src="webwav/WelcomeMessage.wav" loop="1">
> >
> > You have used the element named above in your document, but
the
> > document type you are using does not define an element of
that
> > name. This error is often caused by incorrect use of the
"Strict"
> > document type with a document that uses frames (e.g. you must
use
> > the "Frameset" document type to get the "<frameset>"
element), or
> > by using vendor proprietary extensions such as "<spacer>" or
> > "<marquee>" (this is usually fixed by using CSS to achieve
the
> > desired effect instead).
> >
> > ?
> > Line 444, column 312: there is no attribute "SRC"
> > ...">Downloads</A></FONT></P><EMBED
> > src="webwav/WelcomeMessage.wav" hidden="YES"
> >
> > ?
> > Line 444, column 347: there is no attribute "HIDDEN"
> > ...c="webwav/WelcomeMessage.wav" hidden="YES"
autostart="TRUE"
> > loop="FALSE" widt
> >
> > ?
> > Line 444, column 363: there is no attribute "AUTOSTART"
> > ...eMessage.wav" hidden="YES" autostart="TRUE" loop="FALSE"
> > width="0" height="0"
> >
> > ?
> > Line 444, column 375: there is no attribute "LOOP"
> > ..." hidden="YES" autostart="TRUE" loop="FALSE" width="0"
> > height="0" align="cent
> >
> > ?
> > Line 444, column 389: there is no attribute "WIDTH"
> > ... autostart="TRUE" loop="FALSE" width="0" height="0"
> > align="center">
> >
> > ?
> > Line 444, column 400: there is no attribute "HEIGHT"
> > ..."TRUE" loop="FALSE" width="0" height="0" align="center">
> >
> > ?
> > Line 444, column 410: there is no attribute "ALIGN"
> > ...p="FALSE" width="0" height="0" align="center">
> >
> > ?
> > Line 444, column 418: element "EMBED" undefined
> > ..." width="0" height="0" align="center">
> > <<< END OF ERROR REPORT
> >
> > So does anyone know the correct embedded code, or does W3C
not
> > think that sound is an acceptable code.
> >
> > Regards
> > Roger H.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-hwg-basics(at)hwg.org
> > [mailto:owner-hwg-basics(at)hwg.org]On
> > Behalf Of PC-Bug Fixer
> > Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 8:29 AM
> > To: hwg-basics(at)hwg.org
> > Subject: RE: I GIVE UP !!!!Re: test
> >
> >
> > Interesting Bill,
> > I will do as you suggest,
> > Reply All and delete You from the To Field and monitor the
> > result.
> > However, we still have missing e-mail posts on the list
> > Regards
> > Roger
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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