Re: Accessibility validation

hi Ineke-

 and thank you for that -

> Accessibility requires also a page is accessible without java script.
> Your popup-menus are not accessible without javascript and  in this way
you
> offer different information to sighted
> and not sighted visitors. I don't think you want that.

Yes, but all my pages are still totally *accessible* without JS.
What is not available, is the DHTML / short-cut menu / dropdowns.
These require JS; but without JS, the user simply clicks on the (say)
"volunteers" button, and gets the "volunteers" page, which has got the
submenu (drop-down) opened up and visible in full.
There is no less *accessibility* without JS, i've been careful about that -
but there is a *short-cut* available with JS.
 http://mysite.freeserve.com/bbm/hagar/HH/HHAbout.htm

Is that not sufficient?
I hope so, and it's just that you hadn't clicked the "Volunteers" button to
see!
It is, of course, possible that those with JS won;t realise that there is a
"Volunteers" page, and will miss it by always using the shortcuts, and i'm
not sure what to do about that -  unless I add another option to the
Volunteers submenu, called, "volunteers" :-o

(You also need JS to view a photograph full-size;
if you click on a thumbnail in the BTCV volunteers page (That's me at the
bottom with a saw ;-)   ) you get a new window with the full-size photo in,
but nothing else. I feel that accessibility in this case is not an issue, as
the photo alone is not much usefor anyone with text-only anyway -  and that
it is "icing" rather than content.
Does that sound reasonable, i really would like an opinion).

OH NO - this but doesn't work anymore! It did last time i tried -  and will
do again, just as i've read all my mail!

> I looked your page in http://www.accessibility.nl  click site testen
snoop
> with only tables and images on.. or test your site in lynx is also
possible in
> this site.. .
I want to check with a text-only browser, but i'm not sure where to get
one - is there one i can download from somewhere to make that  test?
Though that site does look good (oh help, the curse of the English - i only
read English!  Every Dutchman i have met is fluent in about 5 langauges, but
being English i'm limited to one and a few scrapings)
Can you give a quick translation of all the stuff in the drop-downs please?!
Bobby and lynxviewer i can understand, but what else is in there that is
useful for a non-Dutch speaker?!


> There is also something wrong with your text about the browsers . I can
read the
> code not the text.
> I can see | between the links but WCAG requires this [  ...] and when you
want
> to have the validation-icons on your page , put || in your alt  (altribute
alt="
> || " ) and || will be showed on lynx to seperate them.

I'm sorry, i don;t quite understand.
Can you quote the bit of code i use, and also your correction?

I haven;t found the actual WCAG validation,  unless it is the same as
Bobby - but i'm keen to get the logo!

Many thanks for your help --

hilma
---x---


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ineke van der Maat" <inekemaa(at)xs4all.nl>
To: "Hilma" <Hilma(at)hilma.freeserve.co.uk>; <hwg-basics(at)hwg.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility validation


>
> Hello Hilma,
>
>
> Accessibility requires also a page is accessible without java script.
>
> I looked your page in http://www.accessibility.nl  click site testen
snoop
> with only tables and images on.. or test your site in lynx is also
possible in
> this site.. .
>
> Your popup-menus are not accessible without javascript and  in this way
you
> offer different information to sighted
> and not sighted visitors. I don't think you want that.
> There is also something wrong with your text about the browsers . I can
read the
> code not the text.
> I can see | between the links but WCAG requires this [  ...] and when you
want
> to have the validation-icons on your page , put || in your alt  (altribute
alt="
> || " ) and || will be showed on lynx to seperate them.
>
> Greetings
> Ineke van der Maat
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hilma" <Hilma(at)hilma.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <hwg-basics(at)hwg.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 3:05 PM
> Subject: Accessibility validation
>
>
> > Now i have my W3C strict validation (and a trivial change to do for CSS
> > validation, which i keep forgetting) -
> > i have decided to go for accessibility validation :-)
> >
> > I seem to have lost the W3C validator link; so i'm using "bobby" at
> > http://www.cast.org/bobby/
> >
> > Along with a number of warnings -
> > the only show-stopped is my nav bar; as links are "separated only by
white
> > space" which is a no-no for this validation.
> > (They nerge in a text-only browser, i need a seperator symbol).
> >
> > So i decided to insert a pipe symbol, but in the same colour as the
> > menu-background -  so it would be invisible to user with graphic
browsers.
> > I assume that it will show in a text-only browser, but i haven't got me
a
> > text-only browser to check up in).
> > (And i don;t want this to mess up my central alignment)
> >
> > So i changed all my nav links to
> > <a href="HHMain.htm"        class="NavButton" id="mnuMain" >Main <span
> > class="splitBar">|</span></a>
> >
> > with
> > .splitBar {color:#71ad78 }
> >
> > (yes, I *know* <span> is not to be used; but i want this pipe next to
the
> > link but with a style of its own, to make it invisible).
> > But it still goes onto a new line, on its own, so spreading all my nav
> > buttons out
> >
> > As i type, it's at
> > http://mysite.freeserve.com/bbm/hagar/HH/HHAbout.htm
> >
> > (the bottom 3 buttons, colour currently rather inconsistent but not yet
set
> > to invisible).
> > I think that each pipe gets a new line becasue the  NavButton class is
> > defined as
> >
> > .NavButton {
> > display:block;  width: 130px;  height: 18px;
> > padding: 2px;
> > border:3px outset #99cc99;
> > margin:3px;
> > background:#71ad78;
> > font: small Verdana;
> > text-align:center;
> > text-decoration: none;
> > }
> >
> > but my questions are really:
> > 1/ Is it acceptable to have a pipe the same colour as the background, to
> > allow Bobby accessibility validation?
> > 2/ How do i get my pipe next to my nav button (without messing up the
> > central alignment of the link text)?
> > 3/ What would be the most elegant way to get my accessibility
validation -
> > as i really don;t *like* this method -
> > it is an awful lot of html, and uses the <span> tag (which i have been
> > "encouraged not to ;-) " -
> > and I only do so now as an attempt to get validation, as i cannot think
of a
> > better way! .
> >
> > Many thanks for any ideas on this one -
> >
> > hilma    <-- collecting validation stickers as fast as i can ;-)
> > --x-----
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

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