RE: Twirling in Tables <Td's> and <Tr's>

I truly appreciate your perspective and will go to work on it right away..
still trying to get the hang of all this table stuff for borderd
backgrounds.. Yikes..
One of my committee leaders did this site and will converse with her some of
the suggestions you and a few others have mentioned.. Thank You

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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hwg-graphics(at)hwg.org [mailto:owner-hwg-graphics(at)hwg.org]On
Behalf Of jim barchuk
Sent: Monday, January 18, 1999 4:12 PM
To: HTML Writers Guild
Subject: RE: Twirling in Tables <Td's> and <Tr's>


Hello!

> I am not sure if this is a bug in DreamWeaver or if it is user error
> somewhere.. but when creating this site with mostly ring tables with in a
> larger table  to keep it from overlapping my border.  It has made it so
that
> it doesn't come up in Netscape gold at all.. most of the time will crash
the
> browser..
>
> says it is loading a plugin. ?
>
> but I removed the bgsound and embed src tags for my midi file and it still
> crashes.

> If someone has a moment do you mind taking a peek?..
>                 http://crystal-loyalty.org/index2.htm
>                         http://crystal-loyalty.org/Causes

This is not specifically a -graphics question but some image
adjustment -might-
help. Reason I say that is that the total image load on the client
is -huge-.
For that first page, my system says it's using 40% of the 128M I have. I see
no
reason most of those JPGs shouldn't be cut by 80% in file size.

Then there's some HTML oddities, such as:

<center> <center> <center><p><center><p>Page concept, all custom graphics
INCLUDING banners, title graphic, text graphics and words coded scripts are
Copyright � 1997, 1998 registered to Progressive Expressions (All
logos/graphics used are copyrighted to the entity represented and used by
perrmission) All Rights Reserved. </center></center></center></center>

I can't say for sure offhand if that's valid, but it sure does look
unnecessary.

Regarding TABLEs, that one other comment about </TD>. They are not required.
-But- Netscape is -known- to have problems under certain table structures
that
do not have all 'optional' closing tags. The ~/Causes page for instance
simply
refuses to render at all for me. (I'm not looking closer to figure out why.)
And that page has a whole slew of:

            <center>
              <center>
              </center>
            </center>
          <p>
            <center>
              <center>
              </center>
            </center>
          <p>
            <center>
              <center>
              </center>
            </center>

...that appear to mean absolutely nothing. Yes, they may be valid, I don't
know
offhand and don't care to test it, but they're all 'leaning' on the browser,
asking it to do something that has no 'meaning'.

I think it's a -combination- of (multiple) monster images, likely invalid
HTML,
and other HTML oddities. Then stir in some JS and you've got some wild and
wack
soup that NN is -trying- to render but eventually gives up, pukes on its
shoes,
and lays down and stops breathing.

Everything you ask the browser to do is 'work'. Asking it to do too
difficult
work too many times is apparently asphyxiating it. For pages this 'heavy'
the
HTML -must- be as nearly perfect as possible. http://validator.w3.org will
undoubtedly offer some clues.

Have a :) day!

jb

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jb(at)jbarchuk.com

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