RE: web design -- one Photoshop file with everything ???

Gary

Yes no one has all of the answers and its difficult to make what are
essentially judgement calls ----

I guess it depends on the resources a person has available to them and
the process that is works best for you.

But for the dilemma you described -- well you have no choice I guess,
but to put together a samle page of each layout and give it to the
client to make a choice.  Its no different for a print design project.
Give them three choices in the intended medium (where possible) and see
how it flies. Its a lot of work no matter what --------- but the
process for getting it done can make or break you. Unfortunately part
of whatever it is that one does with the web involves educating the
people that are supposed to be relying on your expertise -- if they
dont mind paying the fees for the time and labor that has to go into
producing mechanicals then so be it. Its part of the process.

Lisa




--- Gary Barber <gazbe(at)omen.com.au> wrote:
> 
> 
> Lisa writes
> 
> > I can see the value of the layout principle ---
> but to me it just seems
> > more practical to create the images that you are
> using individually and
> > work with them in a page layout program if ideally
> what we want to do
> > is present the client with a web-based mechanical
> (in the same way
> > graphic desginers present comps or mechanicals to
> clients). Sooner or
> > later one would have to use HTML and whatever
> scripts are needed to
> > make the thing function. I guess my main concern
> is it seems to add a
> > lot more time and labor to a job to rely on
> Photoshop as a layour tool.
> > But like anything I guess if it works for you and
> works well -- then
> > its not as time-consuming as one might think.
> >
> 
> (see my previous post first)
> 
> Lisa
> 
> I can see your point and for some sites, yes this is
> the way to go.  I have
> done like you, the separate image builds and a rough
> HTML build too, this
> can be just as fast with the later WYSIWYG editors.
> 
> But tell me what do you do when the client wants to
> see all three of the
> different designs that you have paper sketched on
> their screen, because they
> "just can't see it" . This can be a lot of building
> of almost three site
> templates for nothing. When a series of one solid
> image visual mockups can
> do the trick.  Now these's mockups are perfect but
> they give the rough idea
> to the client. Well thats how I use them.
> 
> I suppose like you say its all down to speed. I
> would like to know what
> other people do.
> 
> This industry is young.  And you'll find that even
> the "experts" training
> people these days don't have any of the answers.
> 
> Gary
> 
> radharc.
> 
> > A lot of people are in some form or another it
> seems.
> 
> > Heather writes
> > > While not responding directly to the original
> post,
> > > I do have a related
> > > comment.
> > >
> > > I use Adobe Image Styler extensively to create
> my
> > > web graphics.   It is
> > > extremely simple to arrange the graphics I've
> just
> > > created in approximately
> > > the layout I want on the final page.   I find
> this
> > > very helpful in deciding
> > > where I want the elements to go and it is
> lightning
> > > fast compared to messing
> > > with coding a page.  After all, I already have
> the
> > > program open to create
> > > the graphics in, so why not just move them
> around
> > > the screen into how I want
> > > my page to look?
> > >
> > > While Image Styler does allow me to save the
> layout
> > > as html, I never do this
> > > (I haven't ever tried actually, but I would
> imagine
> > > it would make some
> > > pretty funky tables to get things exactly as I
> have
> > > in my trial layout).
> > > No, it is only a tool for me to quickly decide
> if I
> > > like how the images are
> > > interacting with each other etc. I might even
> slip a
> > > screen capture of some
> > > text to simulate the text on the page.  When I
> am
> > > done, I place a large
> > > background box behind all the images and save
> the
> > > whole works as a single
> > > graphic or occasionally I might carve it up as 2
> or
> > > 3.
> > >
> > > Now as absurd as this sounds....I then throw the
> > > huge graphic onto a webpage
> > > and use it to show my client.   I can get
> feedback
> > > from them without having
> > > done a lot of work on the page layout at this
> point.
> > >   I just say to them in
> > > effect:  "this is what your page will look
> like...do
> > > you want me to make
> > > changes?"   If they do, then I incorporate those
> > > changes into the page when
> > > I create it.   I AM sure to let them know the
> > > technique I've used so they
> > > aren't put off if it is slow to load.
> > >
> > > As for someone using Photoshop to do as you
> > > described...I can only imagine
> > > he might have done something similar...having
> one
> > > large graphic as the whole
> > > page, with image maps in areas where there
> needed to
> > > be hyperlinks.  VERY
> > > BAD!!      (Actually I have a hosting-only
> client
> > > that does this often,
> > > yikes!)
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Heather
> > >
> > > _________________________
> > >
> > > Heather Peel
> > > The Net Now
> > > http://thenetnow.com
> > > email:  info(at)thenetnow.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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