RE: CSS and XML for Dummies...

Not all off topic at all -- seems very relevent to me. 

have a look at the Web Standards Project Website --

they discuss these issues in depth and have a mailing list as well.

http://www.webstandards.org/

Lisa

--- Gary Barber <gazbe(at)omen.com.au> wrote:
> 
> This is a little Off topic, but ...
> 
> This is just what I thinking the other day.  And up
> pops a Gartner Report
> saying that in the US the big thing that is being
> implemented at the moment
> by 50% of web sites is XML.  Its the flavour of the
> Quarter according to
> this report.  Now personally I don't think much of
> these reports.
> 
> http://gartner12.gartnerweb.com/public/static/home/home.html
> 
> But, maybe I'm being a little thick here (;>) but if
> the Browser will not
> support XML or XSL then whats the point. If the
> agent can't see it, its
> still theory. I know that XML is great for Search
> etc and its what we need.
> But at the moment only IE 5 (partly I think)
> supports XML. Maybe its just
> too far off (next quarter maybe).
> 
> For Instance is Office 2000 XML aware. I know some
> editors and Application
> Servers have provision for XML, buts thats all I've
> heard.
> 
> Any one else know anything, It's a great idea, just
> I'll like to see
> something besides W3C trials etc.
> 
> Gary
> 
> radharc.
> 
> 
> > I have a great book that has HTML4, XML, and Java
> published by QUE --
> > great tutorials and full reference material.
> >
> > But my understanding is that XML isnt supported
> that much yet -- so Im
> > wondering if its worth it to even start working
> with the tutorials that
> > came with this book. I know its important to
> expand horizons and keep
> > up -- but its hard when one of the first things
> you read about latest
> > developments is "not widely supported". Any
> thoughts?
> >
> > Lisa
> >
> >
> > --- Carol Parent <parent(at)djam.com> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > What was your resource for learning XML and CSS?
> > > Also to, would you
> > > recommend learning them separately to understand
> how
> > > they work without each
> > > other, or learning them as a pair, since you
> almost
> > > always read about them
> > > together.  I have visited http://www.xml.com 
> and
> > > have noodled enough up in
> > > there to wander off confused and talking to
> myself.
> > > I have used CSS in
> > > special cases when I wanted text to do a bit
> more
> > > than HTML could make it do
> > > and didn't want to fool with graphics, but have
> > > never really delved into it
> > > to much because of the problems with the browser
> > > support, but that seems to
> > > be coming to end.  XML and CSS seem to be the
> > > replacement for HTML, they
> > > call it XSL(?), and ppl talk about it as the
> holy
> > > grail of Internet
> > > Solutions.  So to get back to my original
> question,
> > > how do you like XML and
> > > what did you find was a good resource for
> learning
> > > it?  Books, sites etc?
> > >
> > > Thanks much
> > > Carol<~~~~Looking for the breadcrumbs she
> dropped to
> > > find her way back.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Garbanga <webmaster(at)spelaean.com>
> > > To: <hwg-graphics(at)mail.hwg.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 4:51 PM
> > > Subject: CSS and XML for Dummies...
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Well I guess I am fortunate and driven
> enough to
> > > be able to function as
> > > > > both a graphic designer and programmer ---
> they
> > > both go hand-in-hand.
> > > > > Its just strange to me that there are web
> > > designers who cant work with
> > > > > code and only with graphics and vice-versa
> ----
> > > o well.
> > > >
> > > > Yuck.  What a self-centered thing to write. 
> It
> > > appears to be
> > > > so, anyway.  On top of that, I believe that
> that
> > > isn't what we're
> > > > talking about.  Any of us on here who do web
> > > graphics can
> > > > probably get around in HTML, and maybe DHMTL,
> > > Javascript,
> > > > CSS, etc. with no problem.  It's pretty easy
> to
> > > gain fluency in
> > > > HTML.  We're talking about script writing in
> > > languages such
> > > > as Perl, C++, Visual Basic, etc..
> > > >
> > > > I'm awaiting further CSS and XML
> compatibility.
> > > I'm already doing
> > > > some sites that are completely controlled by
> CSS.
> > > The compatibilty
> > > > will catch up, I'm sure (hopefully Netscape
> will
> > > add more CSS
> > > > support to their browser... {body a:hover} is
> not
> > > supported!).
> > > > Linking to CSS documents REALLY speeds a site
> up.
> > > >
> > > > I've already been working with XML to a
> certain
> > > extent, and it's
> > > > database "programming" a designer can live
> with.
> > > >
> > > > Good graphics and navigation are very
> important to
> > > a site.
> > > > Knowledge of techniques for reducing file
> sizes
> > > and incorporating
> > > > your graphics with very custom code are
> important
> > > a web
> > > > designer.  I think that if someone excels as
> an
> > > artist, they
> > > > might find it difficult to grasp database
> > > programming.  Programming
> > > > and artistry are each on different sides of
> the
> > > brain.
> > > >
> > > > CSS and XML are fairly simple to grasp, and
> are
> > > nothing
> > > > but beneficial for everyone.  This,
> fortunately,
> > > is the direction
> > > > we're headed in.
> > > >
> > > > For now, we really just need better WYSIWYG
> online
> > > database
> > > > management and e-commerce.  What's out now is
> > > pretty
> > > > limited (especially for e-commerce).
> > > >
> > > > I like beef.
> > > >
> > > > -Steve
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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