Re: Missing pictures

by Jon Scott <jscott(at)>

 Date:  Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:12:01 -0600
 To:  David Jones <dvjones(at)>
 Cc:  hwg-techniques(at)
 References:  localhost
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Actually, a lot of town/ library / public computers use NN4.x  I know we have 
to code for it for all the stations in a couple municipalities around here.  
There is a lot of anti-microsoft sentiment, or more open source favortism than 
you'd think.

If you're not coding for NN4.x you can pretty much count 20% of your visitor 
traffic as ticked off.  Even if your traffic flow doesn't show 20% use, it's no 
wonder.  If I go to a site once and it doesn't render in my browser I'm not 
going back.  Unless I REEEAAAALLLLY need something from that site.

Statistical analysis is so often misinterpreted by the techies/ web wonks for a 
site,  that the actual marketing people don't know why visitors aren't coming 
back to the site.

I'm willling to bet a lot more people are using NN than originally measured.  
It's ust that when the browser wars were declared over, by who I couldn't tell 
ya, that many developers stopped building NN compatible sites. 

I for one konw it would be a lot easier to not have to build web pages that are 
Netscape Navigator, Opera, and Mozilla compatible.  But I also know that I'm 
giving up the last 30% or so of our web traffic to the "I'm not interested in 
your traffic unless you use microsoft IE", world.

Sorry, but 30% more traffic is not something I'm willing to give up.

How do I know it's 30% when many studies show 20% or less total non-IE 
traffic.  Easy, because we program with NN in mind and gained an extra 10% 
traffic because of that.  Not to mention, it's jut possible our demographics 
don't match the so called norm.

Are you really sure you want to stop programming for NN 4.x?  Maybe you can 
build a generic section that is cross borwser comaptible and solicit feedback 
from yoru visitors that are using some other browser, by utilizing a browser 
sniffer survey tool.



Quoting David Jones <dvjones(at)>:

> If you want someone at my house to buy something 
> from your website, you better make it fully funtional for 
> a NS4 user. My wife is by far the main web shopper at 
> our house, and she won't give up her old familiar NS4 
> (running on Windows2000) for NOTHING! ;-)
> David
> dvjones(at)
> On 13 Feb 2004, at 8:27, Darrell King wrote:
> > So do I.  My point was that such things are now easily
> > available and I am wondering if the continued emphasis on
> > NN4 is just parroting of slogans from the older days.
> > 
> > I remember when IE 5 came out and this very same
> > discussion raged through this list: was NN4 dead.  Of
> > course it wasn't then as there was no really viable visual
> > alternative for Linux or Unix and many Mac users would
> > rather have shut down than use IE...:).
> > 
> > We've come a long way since those days in the distant
> > past, though.  There are several alternatives on each
> > platform now.  Personally, I dropped support for
> > appearance in anything older than IE5.5 in the late Spring
> > of 2003.  I still like content to be accessible, but I
> > don't expect my sites to look in NN4 or IE3 like they do
> > in Firebird!
> > 
> > D
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "David Jones" <dvjones(at)>
> > 
> > 
> > On 12 Feb 2004, at 18:10, Darrell King wrote:
> > 
> > > For that matter, why this guy and not the Linux/NN4
> > > user? Or the Windows 98/IE4.x user?
> > 
> > Sorry, on my Linux boxes, I use Mozilla or Firebird, just
> > as I do on my W98 boxes. ;-)

Jon Scott - Web Jockey
CivicRADAR - Connecting Citizens to Government

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