Re: Start with HTML or XHTML? (slightly OT)

by Robin Liston <rliston(at)>

 Date:  Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:01:59 -0800
 To:  hwg-techniques(at)
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Just out of curiosity how many of you actually use NN6/Mozilla for everyday 

I have NN6.2 and I absolutely loathe it. My "favorite" thing is when you 
reload a page many times the page loads completely different or not all. 
This includes pages that have been tweaked to work with it. It is also very 
slow. I think it is much worse the NN4.x. It behaves poorly on every 
computer I've seen.

The only time I fire it up is to test webpages, or else I'd get rid of it.

For people who are anti-IE I think NN4 is usually their first choice. I 
don't think NN4 will "die" unless NN6 shapes up quickly.

At 03:42 AM 03/14/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>>From: "Kehvan M. Zydhek" <kehvan(at)>
>>To: "LSN Bluff" <lsnbluff(at)>, <hwg-techniques(at)>
>>Subject: Re: Start with HTML or XHTML? (slightly OT)
>>Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 06:14:46 -0800
>>--snip --
>>The argument against my above recommendation is for older noncompliant 
>>browsers like NS4.x. Well, NS4 is still around, in part, because people 
>>STILL code for it. Stop coding for it, and it will eventually go away, 
>>replaced by better, modern browsers. NS4 had it's day (six years ago or 
>>something hideously long like that), but that day is over. Many people 
>>are constantly complaining that their site doesn't look good in NS4, and 
>>that they need hacks and detectors to convert their site to a lesser 
>>version. If more sites were built EXCLUSIVELY for modern browsers, NS4 
>>would FINALLY DIE. Yes, there are some who must use that browser for one 
>>reason or another, but I think those users are learning that the world 
>>has moved on, and if they wish to continue viewing the internet, they, 
>>too, must advance. It's almost Darwinian in nature. NS4 had it's moments, 
>>but I see absolutely no reason for it to continue to exist. It's a 
>>dinosaur, and those of us who continue to support it, while doing the 
>>"right" thing ethically by allowing for the widest audience are doing a 
>>disservice to all webdesigners (and indirectly, all users of the 
>>internet) by supporting a dinosaur. Let it go. Let HTML4 and earlier go. 
>>Move up to XHTML, which was made a standard TWO YEARS AGO and support the 
>>Ooops... got on a soapbox there, didn't I? Sorry! I guess I feel pretty 
>>strongly about this. I just wish more designers had the ability to say 
>>"no" to their clients when asked to build NS4 compatible sites. I 
>>understand why they don't, of course, but I just WISH they could.
>>Kehvan M. Zydhek

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