Re: Using pre-made graphics

by "Mihai Jalobeanu" <jalobean(at)itm.mw.tu-muenchen.de>

 Date:  Mon, 8 Dec 1997 20:25:41 +0100
 To:  "Hwg-Theory (E-mail)" <hwg-theory(at)hwg.org>
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Tarik,

>Oh, then that would explain the problem (on multiple levels). I've looked
>at myself (and others in the field), and see no contradiction. You have
>yet to denote any. Thank you for the suggestion.

Again, the point of my first message was to warn about possible
contradictions. I made the assumption that one  _could_  be (usually is) the
"borrowing" of good design elements even if there isn't a physical stolen
object. But is _your_ job to look at yourself and find your contradictions.
If you didn't find any, that's OK, maybe you are perfect :-)

>Moreover, your statistics
>are terribly flawed (I assume you have no actual proof of them) ...

You are right about the proof and this is why my statement was a conditional
one. It wasn't a statistic, it was an assumption. But if you are saying
"your statistics are terribly flawed"  than please share your better one.

>You have failed to show that
>your position has any legal credibility, and such misinformation is
>inherently dangerous.

I didn't ever tried to. The legal issue in the interpretation of a lawyer
doesn't interest me (in this discussion). When I will be interested in
finding out what is the standard legal interpretation of the copyright law,
I will ask a lawyer for this, and certainly I wont bother a HTML theory list
with it. And, for the rest of your sentence, I believe qualifying my
statements as "misinforming" is hazardous. Almost all of them start with
"if", "should" or "I believe" :-)

>"This is what I think it should mean" does not necessitate "this is what
>is means"
I didn't suggested the contrary. (or, at least, I didn't want to. If I did,
I apologize)


I've tried to have an ethical - philosophical discussion about the limits
between learning, borrowing concepts and stealing work. But you didn't
understand this and took the discussion to strictly legal issues on one
hand, and diluted the concept of "ideas behind the design" to such general
limit as papyrus layout and navigational techniques on ENIAC on the other ha
nd. :-)

I am getting tired to explain something an to get replies interpreting just
the side ideas not the main issue. In the same time I don't believe I can
explain my position better: I'm not so proficient in English.

So, I believe we can stop this discussion here.

Thank you for your time,
Mihai

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