Re: XHTML 1.0 validator at W3C
by "Ineke van der Maat" <inekemaa(at)xs4all.nl>
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Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:21:51 -0700 |
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"Joshua Graham" <JoshuaGraham(at)grahamis.com>, <hwg-xml(at)hwg.org> |
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idyllmtn grahamis utwente grahamis2 |
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Hello Joshua,
In Dutch ist is more usual as in English or American to write long
paragraphs with many line breaks. (see Dutch books)
For all the other reasons I use the clear-, pading-top- or
padding -bottomproperty or still others in a stylesheet. It has also no
presentationfunction in my eyes but is the only (practical) way to break a
line. I found this in my studymaterial:
TO INSERT A LINE BREAK:
<br />
Note: the <br /> tag is NOT for inserting blank lines, only for breaking the
current line of text. Blank lines should be inserted using CSS only!
Greetings
Ineke van der Maat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Graham" <JoshuaGraham(at)grahamis.com>
To: <hwg-xml(at)hwg.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 12:49 AM
Subject: Re: XHTML 1.0 validator at W3C
> Sorry, Jesse, I'm not convinced that does anything but prove my point.
>
> There's nothing to say the thing we call a "paragraph" should appear as a
> block of text with at least one (usually two, for easier reading) new
lines.
> A paragraph was invented to group ideas in the text and allow the reader
to
> step from one logical (one hopes) piece of reasoning to the next.
Therefore,
> the "p" element is definately semantic in nature.
>
> If, for semantic reasons, I was indicating that a block of text was a
> "subsection of [the] current paragraph", as you suggest, then I would not
be
> using an empty element. Perhaps <psub>text</psub> or
> <subsection>text</subsection>.
>
> The very fact that the "br" element is called "line break" is explicitly
> saying what the document should 'look' like when rendered - that is,
"break
> the line here". The "br" is therefore for layout only.
>
> One of the major reasons for XHTML is to remove all presentational markup
> and replace it "with some stylesheet work", as you say.
>
> Nevertheless, it's there and I'm sure it will be there for a while. I was
> just wondering if there was a compelling reason why it was in the Strict
> DTD.
>
> Thanks,
> Josh.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jesse Houwing" <j.houwing(at)student.utwente.nl>
> To: "Joshua Graham" <JoshuaGraham(at)grahamis.com>
> Cc: <hwg-xml(at)hwg.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 12:41 AM
> Subject: Re: XHTML 1.0 validator at W3C
>
>
> > Joshua Graham wrote:
> >
> > >I'm surprised that the "br" element is part of the Strict DTD then, as
> it's
> > >surely presentation markup.
> > >
> > >I tried to see if it was discussed in the HTML list at w3c but their
> search
> > >wasn't working. Does anyone know why it was included or an argument as
to
> > >how it's somehow semantic and not for just presentation purposes?
> > >
> > You could have written the above text as follows (note the missing empty
> > line) :
> >
> > >I'm surprised that the "br" element is part of the Strict DTD then, as
> it's
> > >surely presentation markup.
> > >I tried to see if it was discussed in the HTML list at w3c but their
> search
> > >wasn't working. Does anyone know why it was included or an argument as
to
> > >how it's somehow semantic and not for just presentation purposes?
> > >
> > In that case you would've used the <br> instead if the <P> to show that
> > not a new paragraph but a new subsection of you current paragraph has
> > started.
> >
> > I know it is possible to do this with some stylesheet work, but the <br>
> > would be the right piece of code to use.
> >
> > Jesse
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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