Re: Dsl Connection

agreed.

Craig M.
> > cmonroe11(at)mediaone.net

----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Bonham <gary(at)BonhamDesigns.com>
To: CRAIG S MONROE <cmonroe11(at)mediaone.net>; Shelley Watson
<shelleyw(at)home.com>; <hwg-basics(at)mail.hwg.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 1:38 PM
Subject: RE: Dsl Connection


> This is some interesting additional information. Thanks.
>
> The "small pipe" is still a 128K line, which is more than adequate for
> hosting sites that don't have excessive usage. The cost to go beyond this
is
> at least a full T1 (a fractional T1 is 128K BOTH ways!) which is much more
> expensive.
>
> Some phone companies provide optional increased rate for the "small pipe".
> My daughters carrier offers 384 as an option.
>
> Gary
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CRAIG S MONROE [mailto:cmonroe11(at)mediaone.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 8:12 AM
> > To: Shelley Watson; Gary Bonham; hwg-basics(at)mail.hwg.org
> > Subject: Re: Dsl Connection
> >
> >
> > Adsl, is the flavor of dsl that is winning the race thus far.  It is
being
> > deployed by the majority of the telcos in this country.  This
> > list includes,
> > but is not limited to Pacific Bell, Southwestern Bell, Bell South, Bell
> > Atlantic, etc.
> >
> > xdsl has it benefits, because your dsl line is a dedicated line.  You
have
> > the customer premise equipment that is connected to the dsl line which
is
> > connected to device called a DSLAM which is located in the telco's
central
> > office.  After the dslam, you have an number of atm switches that
> > route your
> > traffic to your isp's network.
> >
> > With a cable connection, you again have your cpe equipment which is
> > "connects" you to the streets coax network.  This then is
> > connected to what
> > is called the "head end". From the street to the "head end" is where the
> > neighborhood is sharing the bandwidth.  As more people get on and start
> > working, there are more packets being stuffed into the same size pipe.
> >
> > Price cable is usually cheaper than dsl.
> >
> > Availablity cable is also usally easier to get.
> >
> > ADSL technology in general is limited in the distance that the
> > signal can be
> > maintained.  Generally, an ADSL line will not function properly over 15
> > thousand feet.  This is because we are running over this country's
copper
> > and between bridge taps and the guage of the copper changing, as well as
> > other high speed services like isdn in the same copper bundle degrades
the
> > signal.  With all of these variables, it is difficult for the
> > phone company
> > qualify lines properly.
> >
> > As for hosting services (e.g. web server, etc), the problem with
> > doing this
> > with ADSL (Asymmetrical Digital Subscriber Line) is that.  The
> > technology is
> > asymmetrical.
> >
> > What this means is, if you are sitting in your home or your
> > office, and you
> > click on the link of a site, those packets travel up the small pipe to
the
> > server.  Say that link initiated the dowload of a large file.
> > That would now
> > be travelling down to your machine on the "large" pipe.
> >
> > If you are hosting a web server on your lan, reverse that
> > diagram.  Think of
> > the users.  Their mouse clicks will travel up to your server on the
large
> > pipe, and again if that iniates the dowload of some large file,
> > that will be
> > travelling down to the users machine over your small pipe.
> >
> > This is why ADSL was not intended for hosting services.
> >
> > I just wanted to throw in a couple of more cents.
> >
> > Craig M.
> > cmonroe11(at)mediaone.net  (dsl not available in my territory)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Shelley Watson <shelleyw(at)home.com>
> > To: Gary Bonham <Gary(at)BonhamDesigns.com>; <hwg-basics(at)mail.hwg.org>
> > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 7:00 PM
> > Subject: RE: Dsl Connection
> >
> >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > > I was on Cable (@home) for quite awhile, and really
> > > > noticed the degradation
> > > > in the evenings and weekends when everyone else was
> > > > home tying up the
> > > > bandwidth.
> > >
> > > Having to share a "pipe" with a large amount of traffic
> > > definately has its affect on the cable system's efficiency and
> > > speed.  It is possible that this is contingent on who manages the
> > > cable service and how prompt they are on upgrading and adding to
> > > the system.  So far we have only noticed a couple of very brief
> > > periods when the transfer rate was noticeably slower - the reason
> > > why was hard to pin down but it was not during what is commonly
> > > peak periods.  Other than when upgrading has been happening to
> > > the mail servers we have not noticed any interruption in the
> > > service at all.  But! - the customer service end of our service
> > > could definately use a boost (grin) - no one likes to be on hold
> > > for 30 minutes while their access is down for some unknown
> > > reason.    Our service has assured the customers in this area
> > > that upgrades will continue to happen so that traffic has no or
> > > minimal effect on speed.
> > >
> > > > I get a consistent 700+Kbits bandwidth. I have a
> > > > fixed IP address, so can host websites at home on my
> > > > server, and I use a
> > > > proxy to share the connection between three other
> > > > computers in the house.
> > > > @home would not even think about allowing web hosting,
> > > > no matter what!
> > >
> > > There are definate limits to the service, however we have had no
> > > difficulty with networking our three computers and using one ISP
> > > account - as for webhosting, well that I'm sure is not available
> > > in our package :).  As I mentioned DSL was not available to us
> > > and Telus mentioned that there were no plans to expand the
> > > service in our area in the near future.  Our cable speed tests
> > > are consistently in the 650 to 850 kbsp range.  BTW, this is no
> > > promotion for our cable company - we actually dislike them and
> > > the tactics that they have used in the past (laugh), however, the
> > > pricing was very competitive and the package along with transfer
> > > speed was a big selling feature.  We have had our fair share of
> > > dropped connections and busy modems - enough to last a lifetime.
> > >
> > > I personally think that it is best to look at what options are
> > > available, what are the benefits, detriments and what is cost
> > > effective.  Cable, for us, was an alternative given the pricing
> > > and the overall package and it is sure nice to not tie up phone
> > > lines in what is consistently a busy household  :)  However, I do
> > > look forward to whatever else can be offered in our area that
> > > competes in those areas (speed, package, price).  The aspect of
> > > satelllite access has some interesting prospects but it's been 2
> > > years since we first heard of it and nothing has happened so far.
> > > 'Sides, it's line of sight from the mountain they would be
> > > using - might not work too well for some of us. :)
> > >
> > > When we first acquired the cable access we were not allowed to
> > > put up a "commercial" website in our available, personal
> > > webspace.  This has changed and there is no objection at the
> > > present time, however, if you have a "personal" account you can't
> > > use a dot com addie unless you URL forward.  Their commercial
> > > accounts are considerably more expensive.
> > >
> > > So, to the original query about liking DSL - I can't personally
> > > answer that.  As for cable, well we're quite happy with the
> > > package given it's pricing, speed and the modications we have
> > > made in order to take the greatest advantage of it.  ISDN was not
> > > considered given the pricing difference (significant) and other
> > > than that only regular phone access or cable access was
> > > available.  Given those choices, cable was the reasonable
> > > decision.
> > >
> > > One question, tho - doesn't large amount of traffic affect DSL
> > > connections also? - Could the speed difference in your area be
> > > because of the amount of traffic on the cable as opposed to the
> > > current amount of traffic on the DSL?
> > >
> > > Shelley
> > >
>

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