Re: Two for one......

That's definitely possible.

It's done all the time with sites that use catalogues and/or databases. One
method of doing this is using cgi. Your host needs to allow cgi for you to
use them. CGI (common gateway interface) are programs that are coded in a
variety of languages. They can be called exactly as you would a  web page
would and would  allow you to include content from different files into you
web page.

Another way to accomplish this is through SSI (server side includes). Like
cgi, you would need to make sure that your host allows you to use them. SSI
allows you to insert entire files into your current web page. What you can
do with SSI is more limited than CGI, but it is definitely easier to place
into the code of your site.

Lastly, you can do this witgh JavaScript. We've recently had a big thread
about the pluses and minuses of JavaScript so you'd have to devide if it is
a vible option for you. Using stand alone scripts might allow you to do what
you are wanting to accomplish.

Hope to have helped.

Tom Rumley


----- Original Message -----
From: "seecurb" <seecurb(at)naspa.net>
To: <hwg-basics(at)hwg.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 6:02 AM
Subject: Two for one......


> I have a question.
> Is it possible...can I...
> generate a web page in the viewer's browser from
> two different files?
> I would like to put the content in one file,
> and the HTML and JS coding in the other file.
> Is this possible? The two files would have to merge into one, somehow.
> How would I do this?
> (I have an app where the content changes,
> but the coding stays the same from page to page.)
>
> Thanks for your help,
> seecurb
> please reply to: seecurb(at)bigfoot.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hilma" <Hilma(at)hilma.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <hwg-basics(at)hwg.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 3:54 AM
> Subject: Newbie - Design approach?
>
>
> > Hi all -
> >
> > I'm new to your list, and fairly new to web design; so i hope I'm in the
> > right place for some advice.
> > Unfortuneately, mine is a fairly vague question, as I don't have the
> > experience to know what it is I want to ask :-(
> >
> > "Where I'm coming from"  :
> > My background is a VB6 programmer; so I can pick up well enough; but
> finding
> > the various different ways that different browsers rendered the same
code
> > was a nasty shock!
> > So I'm delighted about the W3C standards; and less so about current
> > (incomplete and different!) adherence of browsers to them.
> >
> > My first attempt at a site led to a battle with hyperlink backgrounds
> which
> > i finally gave up on-
> > they look great in IE6, but not in Netscape and Opera; I made some
> progress
> > with these 2, but finally  gave up, as none of the design forums i asked
> > could help;
> > (unless maybe i go to another list here - later).
> >
> > Other than my first site; i have read countless on-line tutorials for
> HTML,
> > CSS and JavaScript;
> > I've read O'Reilly's "HTML and XTML Definitive Guide"; and I'm midway
> > through Teagues Visual Quickstart "DHTML and CSS for the WWW".
> > And O'Reilly's "JavaScript Definitive Guide"  is waiting its turn.
> >
> > So; reading all this has taught me alot aobut what can and can;t be done
> and
> > how;
> > but has also led to more questions.
> >
> > "What i want is"
> > - a document, a chart, or some thorough explanation and description of a
> > design approach;
> > I'll write it if there isn't one, but i don't have the information and
> > experience that that would take.
> >
> > I want to:
> > Use .css from the start.
> > Write to W3C standards and get validation.
> > Use HTML, DHTML, JavaScript - but nothing more fancy.
> >
> > I know that some users -
> > Have older browsers,
> > have "noframes"
> > have smaller screens
> > have JavaScript disabled
> > (I also read that they can have "no tables enabled" - does this mean
> > "text-only", or is there another level in which they can have images but
> not
> > tables?)
> >
> > I want backward-comptibility;
> > but i also want W3C validation, which means using deprecated tags until
> > browsers can use all CSS2 tags, which my reading tells me that even
> IE6/NS6
> > cannot, in all cases.
> >
> > I gather that there are some CSS2 tags/attributes that no browsers can
yet
> > recognise or use correctly;
> > to get their intended effect means using old methods which are due to be
> > replaced, when (if?!) browser s/w catches up with standards;
> > Some things have been replaced by CSS in the latest browsers, but I'd
> still
> > need to use deprecated tags to render correctly in older level browsers;
> > so what does that do to validation?
> >
> > I know there is a "transitional level";
> > so what i'm asking for is your experience for a design approach:
> > what can be done within the confines of W3C validation, (full and
> > transitional)
> > what needs to be done for backward compatibility,
> > what tags are deprecated and how to replace them in css
> > (ok, the principles of replacing fonts and positioning in style sheets I
> > understand,
> > or are clearly explained in the books I have to hand;
> > - but not all; for example, how to replicate the action of <span> which
is
> > deprecated).
> >
> > It isn't so much code explanations that I'm after, as a check-list of
> things
> > to do and not do, to get
> > 1/ full usage of all the good bits in HTML/DHTML/XHTML/CSS/JavaScript
> > 2/ validation and
> > 3/ browser compatibilty and
> > 4/ backward compatibilty and
> > 5/ non-dependence (but usage of) of JavaScript and frames for differnt
> > users.
> >
> > Many of these are, I assume, "mutually exclusive"' and I'd have to offer
> > different sites or pages,
> > depending which had a higher priority, validation  or backward
> compatibilty.
> >
> > But i don;t know enough!
> >
> > I think that that explains what i want, and i hope someones(s) out there
> can
> > either point me at a resource
> > that tells it to me, or can take the time to explain it all or some of
> it -
> >
> > many thanks for any and all hints and comments -
> >
> > hilma
> > --x---
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >


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