Fw: Solution - A Perfect Web Site!

by "Andrew Angelopoulos" <aangelop(at)resqnet.com>

 Date:  Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:46:41 -0500
 To:  <hwg-basics(at)mail.hwg.org>
  todo: View Thread, Original
Think this accidentally came to just me.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sathish C. Bramhan" <sathish(at)bramhan.net>
To: <sathish(at)bramhan.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 1:30 AM
Subject: Solution - A Perfect Web Site!


>
> To everyone:
>
> After three Days/Nights of trial and error, here is my Solution to the
> problem. Last night when I sent a request for a solution, I should have
> re-phrased the title as, "A Perfect graphic intensive html/xhtml page." I
> thought at least "One" person from HWG related forums could answer my
> problem. I have received several mails from you guys. Guess how many
> suggestions for a proper solution? - NONE! Most of the replies were utter
> nonsense.
>
> Proper solution here is not throwing away Netscape 6, saying "To hell with
> w3c", or ignoring graphics. Proper solution is to create a page with
> incredible graphics, conforming to w3c standards and which works in most
of
> the browsers. As of now, 4 plus. Please understand, no big client's or
> motion picture studio is going to pay 100,000 or a million bucks for a
very
> nice text full web page "hand coded" by a professor. And if these people
> don't pay, there's no money in this business. No w3c and NO "html writers
> guild" I'm aware money is not everything, but money is something! At the
> same time, we have to stick to the standards.
>
> Here's my solution to the problem. Some of you might have a better idea.
> Instead of criticizing each other like idiots, let's discuss.
>
> At present, when an html integrator gets a psd file, he/she uses a graphic
> editor, most popular are Fireworks and Imageready, slices the graphics,
> applies the required behaviors, exports them to an html editor and rest
you
> all know. The slices exported are housed within Tables as required. Add
rest
> of the elements and hey! It's a perfect w3c compliant web page! (Well, to
> make sure validate with the w3c validator)
>
> What can go wrong?
>
> Here comes Netscape 6! A perfect web page validated by w3c validator is
> messed up. In this discussion, it is the "Broken Tables." The reason
> Netscape 6 considers the correct "document type declaration" as strict
> html/xhtml or some other reason, nobody knows! (Even the so-called
> professors who talk about w3c and 'hand coding' had no clue.) Easy,
> emergency and practical way without a major compromise was to ditch the
> correct "dtd" so as to enable Netscape 6 to default to the non-standard
> version. (It was a question of "money" and a firing squad)
>
> This might sound stupid and insane, but slices housed inside table cells
> like old times don't work! You have to create layers with 'div id' for
each
> slice and control them with a css positioning. If there's 100 slices,
you'll
> have 100 layers! I tried to control the parameters of a cell thru css. It
> did not work. The former is the only solution to make a graphic rich page,
> w3c compliant and browser independent (4+) (both html 4.01 and xhtml 1.0)
> that's totally stupid. Layers for the entire page? For each slice? Maybe
one
> of these professors might have suggested this genius idea without any
> understanding of the industry. I understand professors are used to text
> pages!
>
> For people who use Fireworks and Dreamweaver, I used the latest version
> i.e., 4. (I don't know about Imageready and Golive) After slicing in
> Fireworks 4, while exporting select, css layers-html page. Each slice is
> automatically exported as a layer. Open it up in Dreamweaver, add required
> behaviors (Rollovers don't work, use swap image and layer hide), open it
> with Note Pad (I use Note Pad for repair work, everything looks big) and
fix
> each layer with a css id tag, add correct 'document type declaration' and
> other elements (for xhtml add the appropriate end tags) and there it is! A
> perfect page. (Funny, though, everything on the page will be in a layer,
> even the text!)
>
> As of now, I cannot show you a practical example. Most of the psd's we
have
> has a brand. I'll post a link as soon as I get a non-branded page.
> Meanwhile, I'm open to good criticism and suggestions. In case any of you
> want a demo and you happen to have a graphic psd, please send it to me,
I'll
> slice it and upload it somewhere, so you can take a look at my method. If
> anyone has any better idea, my ears are open.
>
> Please remember, this forum is from "html writers guild." This problem is
> pure html. There has been discussion on HWG lists about asp, java, php,
> etc., These other subjects have their own forums. So, a html problem needs
> preference.
>
> ... SATHISH
>
>

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