Re: James Roberts

Thanks, Chuck. The last I heard the client said he could click on the
"About" navigation button and it navigated, but he hasn't told me yet
whether all the other nav buttons (running down the lefthand side of the
page) work as well. Also, don't know if any of the second-level links work
(the old pages in bad shape that the client did not have me change). Would
you mind checking both types of navigation for me? It's a --big--favor and I
thank you --very--much if you have the time to do it.
Regards,
Sharon
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Sharon F. Malone
http://www.24caratdesign.com
"web page design and Internet writing services"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Evans" <Chucke(at)captura.com>
To: "'sfmalo'" <sfmalo(at)msn.com>
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 1:07 PM
Subject: RE: James Roberts


> Hi. I tried accessing the site on a WinNT box using both NN6 and NN3.04
and
> it loaded fine for both. Hope this helps.
>
> Chuck Evans
> Captura, Inc.
> (425) 803-6455
> http://www.captura.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sfmalo [mailto:sfmalo(at)msn.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 11:30 AM
> To: Captain F.M. O'Lary
> Cc: hwg-basics(at)hwg.org; hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org
> Subject: Re: James Roberts
>
>
> Dear Captain - I sent this message to you on 1/23 but inadvertently
> transposed the carbon copied recipients' addresses. So, thinking that's
why
> it never got posted, am re-sending to you. (<:
> Sharon
>
> Captain:
> Am wondering if you, Tamara, Hugh or anyone else in our group would be
> interested in tackling a --big--problem I've inherited. Have a client
whose
> site I revised recently. He just loaded Netscape 6 on his computer at home
> and is had a horrific time accessing his site. He has a friend in Asia
using
> Netscape 3.x who also couldn't access it. By that I mean they couldn't
even
> bring the site up. So, after I changed the DTD, now my client can bring up
> the site but none of the navigation works anymore and he can't get beyond
> the home page! Note: It works just fine on my Netscape 4.7_ browser so I
was
> unaware of any difficulties until now. (Who knows what's going on in Asia
> with 3.x)
>
> I changed the home page DTD to 4.01 transitional with a URI of
> ".http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/loose.dtd" at the
> suggestion some days ago of someone else in the group...and added CSS. I
> changed all the other 13 first-level pages to the same DTD but left out
CSS.
> My problem is I can't load Netscape 6 on my computer--it keeps bombing out
> during installation, so I gave up. I can't test from home and no one I
know
> has yet loaded Net 6.
>
> Please don't look closely at the body text as it's a nightmare. The site
was
> originally created by someone else with some wretched editor that left out
> literals, had no tables, and did awful things and was originally --one--
> page in length (first-level)!!!!! I made fourteen pages out of the one
page
> creating nav buttons, tables, etc. etc., but I left the text and tags
alone
> (for the most part) except for the Home page and About page. The second
> level pages number over 100 and are absolutely wretched (no DTD, no meta
> tags, no CSS, no tables, no nothin'!). You can take a look at
> http://www.hi-tm.com .
>
> Any thoughts? Any suggestions? What DTD do you think I should use under
the
> circumstances? Leave a URI in or take out? Maybe I should use 3.2 Final as
> the DTD? Help!!!!!
> Warm regards,
> Sharon
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Sharon F. Malone
> http://www.24caratdesign.com
> "web page design and Internet writing services"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Captain F.M. O'Lary" <ctfuzzy(at)canopy.net>
> To: "HWGBASICS" <hwg-basics(at)hwg.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 3:44 PM
> Subject: James Roberts
>
>
> > Your response is hereby formally rejected for breaking the 35-40
character
> > rule.
> >
> > Try again.
> >
> > <just kidding. Please, read on>
> >
> >
> > At 11:16 PM 1/23/01 +0100, James Roberts wrote:
> > >|Why?
> > >
> > >Look I'm new round here, and to HTML. But, 4.01 Trans seems to have
been
> a
> > >requirement because 4.01 Strict broke browsers. No? And now there's
XHTML
> > >1.0 Transitional, for similar reasons...
> >
> >
> > In a word, NO.
> >
> > It is when you do *not* want to break browsers that you use the strict
DTD
> > (don't take my word, check out the URL that started this whole thread).
> >
> > So you have it exactly right - only backwards.
> >
> > The transitional DTD is to create a "grace period" for web developers
and
> > browser manufacturers to get up to speed. It WILL be dropped. The strict
> > DTD will not.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >|Why Not?
> > >
> > >Seems to me with HTML and derivatives we're in the position of the lost
> > >traveller who made the mistake of asking the Irish guy how to get to
> Dublin:
> > >'Sure and if'n I was you, I would not be starting from here'.  It's
easy
> in
> > >retrospect to see many things that could have been done better. I've
only
> > >just got into HTML, although I had my first dial-up internet mail
account
> in
> > >1988 (this in the UK). That's because early HTML was a bit of a joke -
I
> > >thought. Now it's powerful enough to be useable in a limited way. But
> > >backward compatibility is critical in some applications. The
universities
> I
> > >know best in the UK all are using early Netscape (on Windows NT 4,
> already!)
> > >for various reasons best uninvestigated. The transitional spec seems to
> be
> > >helpful in writing code that displays adequately on earlier browsers,
but
> > >has the odd bell and whistle on later ones. So - do they really
> disapprove?
> > >Dunno...
> >
> > Well, speaking as an Irish guy (O'Lary) . . .
> >
> > Early is a relative term. If you have NN 2 supporting the 4.x
transitional
> > DTD I'll kiss your . . . well, you know. If you can get NN3 to support
> > anything except the very most rudimentary features of 4.x without
choking,
> > I'll kiss your  . . . well, you know.
> >
> > Then, I'll buy you a couple of pints, we'll get to be good friends, and
> > then in the traditional way of the Irish, we'll go out back of the Pub
and
> > beat the crap out of each other for a hour or two, and then start the
> whole
> > process over again.
> >
> > Ahhhhh, Culture. That is what America is lacking!
> >
> > Fuzzy
> > <with tong planted so far in his cheek - it hurts>
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Captain F.M. O'Lary
> > webmaster(at)canopy.net
> > Another year ends.
> > All targets met. All systems working. All customers satisfied.
> > All staff eagerly enthusiastic. All pigs fed and ready to fly.
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
>
>

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