Re: Fwd: Re: Need help with quote

Oh boy! ...do I *ever* agree with all of this...well said Jim.

Just let me add two lil words..."Maintenance Contract" ....without one of 
those, it sounds like you are going to be fixing stuff forever for nothing 
and these people will suck you dry.

Kym


At 06:50 AM 7/18/02 -0600, Jim Haslam wrote:
>I can't and won't quote you figures on this list, however, I'd like to ask 
>your client this question:
>
>How much would a web design class cost along with education about web 
>browser compatibility, search engine optimization, information 
>architecture, graphic design, accessibility design, typography, multimedia 
>design, FTP, HTML, graphic software (Photoshop or PSP), CGI scripting and 
>implementation, javascript? I know I'm into it about $8000.00+ so far!
>
>These clients want everything...the web site, the design, and to learn 
>your job skills...all for nothing!
>
>I'd set my price and then don't budge. Tell him he is free to shop around 
>for other designers. However, he won't be getting the quality you are 
>offering him for less money! If he doesn't like your bid, then great...let 
>them go. Your time, talents, knowledge, and services you quoted him are 
>worth every penny you felt you should ask for. Don't under estimate 
>yourself and your abilities. Don't bend just to get a client...these kind 
>of clients will drive you nuts, and what is that worth to you?
>
>If you do drop your rate and secure the client, be aware that once your 
>client tries to manage their own web site they will have issues. Make sure 
>you have in your agreement/contract that once you deliver the product all 
>warranties are off. Then, nail em (repair service fee $$$) when they come 
>back and want you to fix it....cause I guaranty you that they're going to 
>mess it up! What we do takes years of learning, trial and error, 
>education, training, and experience. They can't expect you to give them 
>all that in a few short weeks...WYSIWYG or not, they all mess up code too. 
>All of them! I've used Go-live, FrontPage, Dreamweaver, and HTML editors 
>that offer tag hints. Despite their good intentions, there are just too 
>many variables out there to make a one size fits all WYSIWYG program. It 
>takes human intervention with all of them to custom fit the code, and that 
>takes more knowledge than what your client is willing to put into this.
>
>My $0.02!
>
>Good Luck!
>
>>James Haslam
>>jim(at)haslam.com
>>Web-Guy Design
>>http://www.web-guy.com
>
>James Haslam
>jim(at)haslam.com
>



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