Re: CSS and XML for Dummies...

http://search.nytimes.com/search/daily/bin/fastweb?getdoc+site+site+74426+3+
wAAA+A%7ENew%7ELanguage%7EMay%7EEase%7EWeb%7EUse%7E

That url may not come thru so copy and paste the whole thing into your
browser.  That is an article from the New York Times on XML and will kind of
give ppl a feel for what is happening in that arena.

Now I am done with this topic publicly before I get a note telling me to
quit since I am way off topic here. <grin>

Carol<~~~~~ Going back to her corner of  Cyberspace before she is sent to be
without supper.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Barber <gazbe(at)omen.com.au>
To: <hwg-graphics(at)mail.hwg.org>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 9:35 AM
Subject: RE: CSS and XML for Dummies...


>
> This is a little Off topic, but ...
>
> This is just what I thinking the other day.  And up pops a Gartner Report
> saying that in the US the big thing that is being implemented at the
moment
> by 50% of web sites is XML.  Its the flavour of the Quarter according to
> this report.  Now personally I don't think much of these reports.
>
> http://gartner12.gartnerweb.com/public/static/home/home.html
>
> But, maybe I'm being a little thick here (;>) but if the Browser will not
> support XML or XSL then whats the point. If the agent can't see it, its
> still theory. I know that XML is great for Search etc and its what we
need.
> But at the moment only IE 5 (partly I think) supports XML. Maybe its just
> too far off (next quarter maybe).
>
> For Instance is Office 2000 XML aware. I know some editors and Application
> Servers have provision for XML, buts thats all I've heard.
>
> Any one else know anything, It's a great idea, just I'll like to see
> something besides W3C trials etc.
>
> Gary
>
> radharc.
>
>
> > I have a great book that has HTML4, XML, and Java published by QUE --
> > great tutorials and full reference material.
> >
> > But my understanding is that XML isnt supported that much yet -- so Im
> > wondering if its worth it to even start working with the tutorials that
> > came with this book. I know its important to expand horizons and keep
> > up -- but its hard when one of the first things you read about latest
> > developments is "not widely supported". Any thoughts?
> >
> > Lisa
> >
> >
> > --- Carol Parent <parent(at)djam.com> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > What was your resource for learning XML and CSS?
> > > Also to, would you
> > > recommend learning them separately to understand how
> > > they work without each
> > > other, or learning them as a pair, since you almost
> > > always read about them
> > > together.  I have visited http://www.xml.com  and
> > > have noodled enough up in
> > > there to wander off confused and talking to myself.
> > > I have used CSS in
> > > special cases when I wanted text to do a bit more
> > > than HTML could make it do
> > > and didn't want to fool with graphics, but have
> > > never really delved into it
> > > to much because of the problems with the browser
> > > support, but that seems to
> > > be coming to end.  XML and CSS seem to be the
> > > replacement for HTML, they
> > > call it XSL(?), and ppl talk about it as the holy
> > > grail of Internet
> > > Solutions.  So to get back to my original question,
> > > how do you like XML and
> > > what did you find was a good resource for learning
> > > it?  Books, sites etc?
> > >
> > > Thanks much
> > > Carol<~~~~Looking for the breadcrumbs she dropped to
> > > find her way back.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Garbanga <webmaster(at)spelaean.com>
> > > To: <hwg-graphics(at)mail.hwg.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 4:51 PM
> > > Subject: CSS and XML for Dummies...
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Well I guess I am fortunate and driven enough to
> > > be able to function as
> > > > > both a graphic designer and programmer --- they
> > > both go hand-in-hand.
> > > > > Its just strange to me that there are web
> > > designers who cant work with
> > > > > code and only with graphics and vice-versa ----
> > > o well.
> > > >
> > > > Yuck.  What a self-centered thing to write.  It
> > > appears to be
> > > > so, anyway.  On top of that, I believe that that
> > > isn't what we're
> > > > talking about.  Any of us on here who do web
> > > graphics can
> > > > probably get around in HTML, and maybe DHMTL,
> > > Javascript,
> > > > CSS, etc. with no problem.  It's pretty easy to
> > > gain fluency in
> > > > HTML.  We're talking about script writing in
> > > languages such
> > > > as Perl, C++, Visual Basic, etc..
> > > >
> > > > I'm awaiting further CSS and XML compatibility.
> > > I'm already doing
> > > > some sites that are completely controlled by CSS.
> > > The compatibilty
> > > > will catch up, I'm sure (hopefully Netscape will
> > > add more CSS
> > > > support to their browser... {body a:hover} is not
> > > supported!).
> > > > Linking to CSS documents REALLY speeds a site up.
> > > >
> > > > I've already been working with XML to a certain
> > > extent, and it's
> > > > database "programming" a designer can live with.
> > > >
> > > > Good graphics and navigation are very important to
> > > a site.
> > > > Knowledge of techniques for reducing file sizes
> > > and incorporating
> > > > your graphics with very custom code are important
> > > a web
> > > > designer.  I think that if someone excels as an
> > > artist, they
> > > > might find it difficult to grasp database
> > > programming.  Programming
> > > > and artistry are each on different sides of the
> > > brain.
> > > >
> > > > CSS and XML are fairly simple to grasp, and are
> > > nothing
> > > > but beneficial for everyone.  This, fortunately,
> > > is the direction
> > > > we're headed in.
> > > >
> > > > For now, we really just need better WYSIWYG online
> > > database
> > > > management and e-commerce.  What's out now is
> > > pretty
> > > > limited (especially for e-commerce).
> > > >
> > > > I like beef.
> > > >
> > > > -Steve
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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