RE: web design -- one Photoshop file with everything ???

ROFL Gary --

Here is a direct quote from the master himself --

"I have no intention of being a web designer so I dont need this stuff"
(but hes "designing" this web project) -- They think I am "so funny"
here for being so involved (and for "caring way too much") -- that
includes groups like this one ---------

o well cant please everyone -- 

Which is why they have to kill themselves to fix their mess and I have
so much time to chat with you fine people (I mean that with the utmost
sincerity).

But a question for my purposes at least?

I create the images needed and use Quark to lay them out. This includes
backgrounds, frames, images, etc. 
It serves the same function as your laying things out in Photoshop --
to get the client to give his approval to design and layout etc from a
visual perspective. 

Given that I am using the pantone system in all of my applications,
including their internet pallette, I ensure that I am working with the
same web-safe colors across the board for all elements.

As a graphic designer I became accustomed to presenting a client with
several comps or mechanicals (no more than 3 usually) from which they
can pick and choose and give their input.

A huge part of it is the client and their willingness to work with the
constraints of a difficult medium that is constantly changing. Some
clients will be difficult regardless of the medium in which they need
your services.

Lisa

--- Gary Barber <gazbe(at)omen.com.au> wrote:
> Heather
> 
> I'm very glad to hear that someone does this too. I
> find it a very fast way
> of getting the mockup of the comps to the client for
> the signoff on the
> visuals.  After this the normal separate development
> of the image sections
> and graphical page areas is dealt with in FW/IS or
> PS.  The final page is
> never one sole image (well unless we are talking
> Flash). The point is here
> that some people, (me included) find for the
> graphical interface design the
> use of Photoshop or whatever as a mockup tool to be
> fastest way to go from
> the hand sketches (which some clients think are
> cute!) to a screen
> representation of the site.
> 
> The thing is if you know your HTML well enough while
> you are putting the
> mockup together you should be deciding how you are
> going to implement the
> final product.  As this will have a great baring on
> your design.
> 
> As for the 200+ layers a Final copy (not mockup or
> scratch file) PS file.
> I'm with Lisa, max I use is about 20.  And this will
> be a very complex
> image.  Mind you thats after I delete the just in
> case this doesn't work
> duplicates; hey I don't trust things these days, and
> time is sometimes very
> short.
> 
> 200 is just unworkable, it'ld take you five minutes
> to get from top to
> bottom of the layers, I hope he named them well too.
> Maybe he's lurking on
> this list ;>
> 
> Gary
> 
> radharc.
> 
> >
> > While not responding directly to the original
> post, I do have a related
> > comment.
> >
> > I use Adobe Image Styler extensively to create my
> web graphics.   It is
> > extremely simple to arrange the graphics I've just
> created in
> > approximately
> > the layout I want on the final page.   I find this
> very helpful
> > in deciding
> > where I want the elements to go and it is
> lightning fast compared
> > to messing
> > with coding a page.  After all, I already have the
> program open to create
> > the graphics in, so why not just move them around
> the screen into
> > how I want
> > my page to look?
> >
> > While Image Styler does allow me to save the
> layout as html, I
> > never do this
> > (I haven't ever tried actually, but I would
> imagine it would make some
> > pretty funky tables to get things exactly as I
> have in my trial layout).
> > No, it is only a tool for me to quickly decide if
> I like how the
> > images are
> > interacting with each other etc. I might even slip
> a screen
> > capture of some
> > text to simulate the text on the page.  When I am
> done, I place a large
> > background box behind all the images and save the
> whole works as a single
> > graphic or occasionally I might carve it up as 2
> or 3.
> >
> > Now as absurd as this sounds....I then throw the
> huge graphic
> > onto a webpage
> > and use it to show my client.   I can get feedback
> from them
> > without having
> > done a lot of work on the page layout at this
> point.   I just say
> > to them in
> > effect:  "this is what your page will look
> like...do you want me to make
> > changes?"   If they do, then I incorporate those
> changes into the
> > page when
> > I create it.   I AM sure to let them know the
> technique I've used so they
> > aren't put off if it is slow to load.
> >
> > As for someone using Photoshop to do as you
> described...I can only imagine
> > he might have done something similar...having one
> large graphic
> > as the whole
> > page, with image maps in areas where there needed
> to be hyperlinks.  VERY
> > BAD!!      (Actually I have a hosting-only client
> that does this often,
> > yikes!)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Heather
> >
> > _________________________
> >
> > Heather Peel
> > The Net Now
> > http://thenetnow.com
> > email:  info(at)thenetnow.com
> >
> >
> 
> 

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