<jeff>For instance, do you really think that 67%
of Internet users have Garamond installed?</jeff>

As Garamond is one of the fonts installed with IE3+, the percentage is
probaly now much higher:>)

In fact most users have a numerous fonts. Here is a list of fonts installed
with IE5 in Macs and PC's
(I don't know about other systems) (This list was accurate as of  Jan 2001)

Arial , narrow, rounded, and black
Algerian
Book Antiqua
Bookman Old Style
Bragadacio
Brush Script
Britanic bold
Centuary Schoolbook
Collona (may have been droped)
Comic Sans
Courier New
Desdemona
Footlight
Garamond
Georgia
Haettenschweiller
Impact
Kino MT
Matura
Playbill
Times New Roman
Trebuchet
Verdana
Wide Latin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Kane" <jeffkane(at)pobox.com>
To: "Jim Lynch" <jelynch(at)ntinet.com>
Cc: <hwg-style(at)mail.hwg.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: Serif fonts


> While it's interesting to see the results of a survey, I doubt that
> these results are valid. For instance, do you really think that 67%
> of Internet users have Garamond installed?
>
> Anabella didn't describe her survey methodology, much less provide
> statistical analysis. She may have surveyed a select,
> non-representative group. Also, users with an interest in fonts may
> have been more likely to respond, and those individuals may be more
> likely to have less common fonts installed in their systems.
>
> She says she surveyed for fonts installed on her computer. I notice
> that the survey doesn't even include Helvetica, so apparently she's
> using a PC, and fonts common to the Mac aren't included.
>
> In the absence of reliable survey data, we would be better off
> considering the fonts that are included with the main operating
> systems (e.g., Windows and Mac OS), and possibly adding fonts
> included with widely used browsers, etc.. Then, as others have
> suggested, by providing a list of alternatives plus the generic
> category as a fallback, the font list should work in most situations.
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
> >One thing to consider, as some have already mentioned, is that you have
to
> >consider what fonts your reader has on their machine. I have a list from
> >Annabella's HTML help (http://www.geocities.com/annabella.geo) that
contians
> >the results of a survey. The numbers are for the percentage of the users
who
> >had a certain font available.
> >
> >The top ten were:
> >1. Times New Roman - 99%
> >2. Arial - 99%
> >3. MS Sans Serif - 88%
> >4. Courier - 82%
> >5. Impact - 78%
> >6. Wingdings - 76%
> >7. Verdana - 75%
> >8. Comic Sans MS - 73%
> >9. Arial Black - 72 %
> >10. Garmond - 67%
> >
> >Georgia is down at #13 with 58%. I'm not suggesting one font over
another,
> >just that we need to consider the lowest comon denominator, which is
"what
> >to they have." Thats why the W3C strongly suggests always including a
> >generic font with your declerations.
> >Sorry I don't have the full path to the list, I printed out an EZ print
pop
> >page and it's not listed on it. You should be able to find the rest of
the
> >list from the addy above.
> >
> >hth,
> >Jim Lynch
> >http://www.optp.org
> >http://www.geocities.com/actorjiml
> >
>
> --

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