RE: Coldfusion vs ... Oh dear!

So where does PHP come into the picture?

I learned PHP because that seems to be the language of choice in our
company, and it's free and very easy to write code for Unix or Windows
servers.

However, I will admit to knowing nothing about ASP or ColdFusion.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org
> [mailto:owner-hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org]On Behalf Of Mike Kear
> Sent: 10 August 2001 21:44
> To: klaas(at)gracegraphics.be; hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org
> Subject: Re: Coldfusion vs ... Oh dear!
>
>
>
> G'day Klaas,
>
> This discussion about what you should do after losing a client has
> deteriorated into a "my dad can beat your dad" macho contest
> that resembles
> the inane Mac/PC wars that we've mercifully outgrown
> recently.  Or so I'd
> thought.
>
> Basically, any programming job is done by the programmer with
> the tools he
> knows best that will get the job done.  I think your competitor knows
> coldfusion pretty well and figured he can get it done quicker
> than you
> figured you can get it done.   Price is really person-hours
> for programming.
>
> The difference between ASP and ColdFusion is nowhere near as
> clear cut as
> Mike wants you to think.  He takes the normal line of ASP
> programmers who
> dont really know what ColdFusion can do.  He says in effect
> "ColdFusion is a
> toy for little sites, while ASP is a 'real' application
> server."  In truth
> there is little that the one can do that the other can't do
> just as well.
> The question is which is better to use in any given
> situation.   And the
> answer to that depends on the talents of the person doing the coding.
>
> Coldfusion is very simple to learn, and very fast to
> implement.  It's simple
> to reuse code and many database operations are inbuilt functions in
> ColdFusion.   If you know html, and dont have a programming
> background
> you'll find it much much easier to learn ColdFusion than ASP.
>   On the other
> hand if you have a background in C++ and Visual Basic, then
> you'll probably
> feel more at home amongst the ASP people.
>
> However once you're well versed in either, the differences
> between them are
> not really significant.  A talented and experienced ASP
> programmer can churn
> out just as good a job as an equally talented and experienced
> ColdFusion
> programmer.
>
> For my own part, I am experienced with ColdFusion and over
> the last 5 years
> I've made several attempts to learn programming with C++ and
> Visual Basic
> and have never been able to get past first base with it.
>
> But I dont care because I've never wanted to do anything with
> a web site and
> couldn't do it with ColdFusion.  In short, I think it boils down to
> "whatever floats your boat".  Whatever gets the site finished
> and delivered
> to the client in the shortest time.
>
> You only need to buy servers etc if you're going to own your
> own server
> machine.  Then the decision gets a bit more complex.   Then
> you're adding in
> the factor that ASP is "free" in the sense that it's included in the
> sky-high cost of a Microsoft Server, while ColdFusion
> requires you to buy a
> server.  On the other hand ColdFusion works on other servers.
>   So your
> choice is "free" ASP but slower development and have to go
> with MS server,
> or ColdFusion which "costs" but works on more server options
> and is cheaper
> to do development on  because its far faster to get the finished job.
>
> I just think your competitor here reckoned on doing the job
> in a shorter
> time than you did.  Or he had a lower hourly rate.
>
> Cheers,
> Mike Kear
> Windsor, NSW, Australia
> AFP Webworks.
> ColdFusion Hosting, Development and Consulting.
>
>
>
> >From: Klaas De Waele <klaas(at)gracegraphics.be>
> >Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:34:27 +0200
> >
> >A quick question to all of you.
> >
> >We've just lost a job with a database management tool website to a
> >competitor.  We thought we had a nice and cheap solution (as
> in Chrysler
> >Stratus Cabrio cheap) but this other guy we don't know
> offered it for a
> >lower price using ColdFusion.
> >
> >What I'm looking for is someone who can explain me the benefits of
> >ColdFusion over ASP or the likes.  I would say if you need a
> ColdFusion
> >server and expensive creation tools you'd go past the proce
> of ASP, since
> >I'm using just Notepad ad Editpad to create my apps.
> >
> >So...
> >- what's cold fusion?
> >- how is working with it
> >- prices for development in relation to ASP (factors).
> >
> >
> >- Kayjey -
>
>
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