RE: Grrr!! Do-it-yourselfers!

Always remember that the Maytag man made so much money in the repair
business that he reired early.

When someone calls you and tells you that their site is messed up STRESS the
amount of SALES they have LOST because of it.  Once that point is hammered
home you cn usually charges them MORE than you would have iin the begining,
especially if you give them an example of a good site you made as a
bellweather.

Walter

Peace

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org
[mailto:owner-hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org]On Behalf Of Ben Russo
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 6:46 PM
To: hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org
Subject: Re: Grrr!! Do-it-yourselfers!


Lauren raises another issue too.  The do-it-yourselfers who turn
"professional".

I've seen a LOT of web design sites that look cheaper than a geocities
put-together.  Their sites have nothing more than a textured background and
a couple of badly scanned photos - oh, with the fabricated buttons you can
find on any free-image site.

The html is crap too.

>From my PoV, there will always be do-it-yourselfers courtesy of the
wonderful people at Microsoft, Macromedia, etc..  You just have to learn to
deal with them.  It's like part of your job as a professional designer now.
(which sucks, but is pretty much true).

What really gets to me is when they start doing everyone elses sites.  Cause
then what you're looking at is your competition.  They suck, but they get
business.  So then there's a whole load of moron-generated pages out there.
In the end, the REAL designers don't design anymore, they repair.  And I do
not want to be a repairman when I grow up...

Ben Russo
Incedo Inc.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Lauren Hanka <bluejay(at)starband.net>
To: <hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: Grrr!! Do-it-yourselfers!


> Oh Mike!
>
> How I do empathize! Just yesterday I was perusing the site of a gal who's
> occupation is other than Web site development. She's gotten a hold of a
> WYSIWYG editor, leaned a few tricks, and is now offering "Web Site Design"
> "professionally." I took a quick look at the source page of her primary
> business web site (one she designed), and the title and few META tags on
> *all* of the pages refer to a Christian Band. She's a photographer.
There's
> more, but I thought this was just a riot!
>
> As for offering time and resources for free to gain clients, I believe Kym
> has the right idea. To a point is fine, but if you are not careful, that
> potential client begins to think that your time *IS* free...
>
> Since so many people believe that all web sites are created equally,
perhaps
> it would be wise to include a small blurb on our business sites explaining
> the difference between a "bean bag," and a fine suit...
>
> Lauren
>
>
> > I'm more into the graphics end of things these days, but after giving
away
> > I don't know how much stuff over the years and helping folks ad
infinitum
> > for nothing, I'm done.
> >
> > I'll help and pamper up to a point...but don't push yer luck and don't
> > argue the point about price...either you pay what I charge or I walk.
> >
> > A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing in the wrong hands.
> >
> > Sorry it happened to you Mike...
> >
> > Kym
>
>

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