Corrections below:

ASP, CF	ODBC Support
ASP, CF	OLE-DB Support
ASP, CF	COM Support
CF		Native Sybase and Oracle Drivers< -- I understand to get
any type of decent performance out of
Sybase and Oracel with CF required the development of native
							drivers.

CF, ASP		Clustering <--- You can do clustering with ASP/IIS/Win2k
CF, ASP		Code Encryption
CF		CORBA Support <--- I don't know anything about this.
CF		JavaBeans Support
CF, ASP		LDAP Support
CF, ASP		Multi-Platform Support
CF, ASP		NT Performance Monitor Integration
CF, ASP		NT Security Integration
CF		Persistent Queries <---- Persistent Queries? I don't
understand this one.
CF		POP3/SMTP Support <-- Full featured send and receive
Mail Server?
CF		Registry Access <------ Server Side Only.
CF		"Sandbox" Security <-- ??????
CF		Template Caching
CF		Verity document indexing/search support built in <---
Access Index Server using ADO and 			access
index/meta data information on any type of document 
CF		True XML Support through WDDX <--- ASP supports XML just
fine.

*	Error Handling and Debugging are in my opinion more efficient in
CF than ASP.
*	CF can use any ASP components, plus you can write your own tags.
*	CF platforms: Windows NT/2000, Linux, HP-UX, Solaris <--- ASP
will run on different platforms also. It 	comes at a cost, but the
price isnt much different that the cost of CF Enterprise

CFFlush = Response.Flush in ASP
You can write any type of function in ASP

********************
Mike Carlson
domitianx(at)domitianx.com
http://www.domitianx.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org [mailto:owner-hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org]
On Behalf Of Michael Wilson
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 2:36 PM
To: Mike Kear; klaas(at)gracegraphics.be; hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org
Subject: RE: Coldfusion vs ... Oh dear!


Hi,

>This discussion about what you should do after losing a client has 
>deteriorated into a "my dad can beat your dad" macho contest

I disagree. Of course people will have differing opinions and some may
post without sound data to back up their argument, however, just because
we all don't agree doesn't mean that the thread has deteriorated. It
will be useful to many members trying to decide which direction to turn
when considering more advanced development technologies.

>Basically, any programming job is done by the programmer with the tools

>he knows best that will get the job done.

This is true in some cases, but it by no means a standard that one
should follow. Their are many things I can accomplish with HTML and
JavaScript, that will perform much better with CF, ASP or PHP

>I think your competitor knows
>coldfusion pretty well and figured he can get it done quicker than you 
>figured you can get it done.

I would hope that a great majority of business would consider the
scalability, performance, usability, portability and quality of their
site rather than solely delivery time. Of course it would be in the
developer's best interests to point this out if it has been overlooked.

>In truth there is little that the one can do that the other can't do 
>just
as well.

Again not entirely true. From a code only standpoint, I suppose you
could accomplish the same or similar tasks in either environment, but I
doubt that both would perform equally.

The following differences are from CF 4 Vs, ASP 2.0 rather than 5, so
some may no longer be true and/or more may exist. These findings are not
based on the addition of any third party components or software to
either CF or ASP, but rather as they stand on their own. I must also
point out that I have this info in Access for use within our company, so
I don't remember the URL where I first found the comparison or how
entirely accurate it may be. I did however find this review which may be
helpful http://www.webreview.com/2000/09_01/developers/09_01_00_1.shtml
Please correct me if I am wrong on any of my "out of the box"
comparisons:

ASP, CF	ODBC Support
ASP, CF	OLE-DB Support
ASP, CF	COM Support
CF		Native Sybase and Oracle Drivers
CF		Clustering
CF		Code Encryption
CF		CORBA Support
CF		JavaBeans Support
CF		LDAP Support
CF		Multi-Platform Support
CF		NT Performance Monitor Integration
CF		NT Security Integration
CF		Persistent Queries
CF		POP3/SMTP Support
CF		Registry Access
CF		"Sandbox" Security
CF		Template Caching
CF		Verity document indexing/search support built in
CF		True XML Support through WDDX

*	Error Handling and Debugging are in my opinion more efficient in
CF than
ASP.
*	CF can use any ASP components, plus you can write your own tags.
*	CF platforms: Windows NT/2000, Linux, HP-UX, Solaris


>From CNet Editors' Choice Award of CF 5.0
http://builder.cnet.com/webbuilding/0-7255-8-6615879-2.html?tag=st.bl.72
55-8
-6615879-1.txt.7255-8-6615879-2

In CF 5 There is a new tag called Cfflush. Cfflush lets ColdFusion 5.0
push partial page output to a user. Previously, an entire page would
have to finish processing before it could be sent back to the browser.
Cfflush makes it possible to send part of a page--maybe a Please Wait or
a Page Loading message--while the server finishes a long-running
database query or an interaction with an external system.

User-Defined Functions (UDF) is possibly the most important new feature.
Developers can now create libraries of custom functions that can be used
throughout an entire application. Frustrated because CFML has no
ListMax() function? Now you can write your own. UDFs open a whole new
set of possibilities for code reuse and performance increases because
they execute faster than CFML custom tags.

Mike Wilson

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