Re: HTML3.2 - background images and edge-to-edge tables

Rudy -

Thanks for replying.

> a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, n'est-ce pas? a client who
knows
> that there are people out there using old browsers is naturally
going to
> insist that they all get to see the site the same way

Tell me about it. I did it to myself. Self-Learning curve note -
NEVER, EVER, mention the existance of older browsers to new clients,
lol!

> big mistake if you go for that on your own dime

...yeah... :-(

> this is where you must present the client with a sliding scale for
the site

Bit diffy with my price plans atm. Must remember to look at that when
I'm less encumbered - thanks for the idea!

> example --

[prices snipped to placate the list moderators and their
anti-competition hats!]

> point out to the client that "as many browsers as possible" includes
well
> over a hundred -- see http://browsers.evolt.org

LOL - is it actually THAT many, now? Lord, it must be!

> then give the client a realistic estimate of the percentages of each
> browser that will visit the site

I tend to go for IE, NN, and Opera (with the occasional Lynx thrown in
for painful measure, lol).

> let the clients do the math -- if anything, they're typically better
at
> that than they are at setting page specs

ROFLMFAO - never a truer word spoken on here!

> also, with regard to your specific problem, roger, there's no way
you're
> going to get that particular gradient to right-justify in the window

Nuts. I was afraid of that.

> not only that, but even if you could, you'd still have to worry
about the
> scrollbar width, which one of them always shows but the other one
> doesn't -- internet explorer or netscape, i can never remember
which,
> because my designs don't count on that space

It's Nutscrape that does that (who the hell called it that, anyhow?! I
had to bite my tongue the other day, it just slipped out in
negotiations with a Nutscrape-using client, lol - the guy damn laughed
himself off his chair!).

> now, flip your gradient over, and have it go from dark to light, and
now
> you're talking a completely different story, that *is* almost
workable --
> just make it 2000 wide, or something, and it'll look great in any
> resolution up to that...   well, except for the top margin, of
course....
> <sigh />

Would if I could, but my client wants it to have the branding bar of
changed colour (darker, of course) and vertically aligned text on the
right side of the page, to match the plans he has for his printed
literature (at least he listened to me advise him to combine the site
with conventional advertising - win some battles, lose some battles!).

Guess I'm gonna have to admit defeat on that, go with the gap betwen
the edges, and try like hell to explain it as a 'product feature'
(read: "Complete cock-up") of the three main browsers, lol!

Thanks to everyone who replied; folks, we tried.

"Veni, Vici, Velcro!"
"I came, I saw, I got well and truly stuck!"

Carry on the good work, and never, NEVER, let your clients know the
awkward stuf, lol!

Now? I'm off to bed. It's bloody twenty to five in the morning - and
the sparrows have just started to f**t!

Best regards,

Roger Stenning
Proprietor,
Intelligent Web Design Services
http://iws.n3.net/
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