Re: Don't use BCC please (was RE: indexing one pages)

I feel you are doing a disservice to folks to imply they dont know
what they're doing. I've been programming for many years, and
don't see a way in Outlook Express to do what you are suggesting.
I admit I haven't done mail filtering with express (I normally use
Outlook, but don't have that in front of me at the moment) so more
than likely just don't know how to do it, but the only place I can
view this "sender" field is to show details, in which case it is buried
within a lot of text. The mail rules don't seem to offer a way to pick
this out and filter based on it's value, any more than it can filter on
the BCC field. I think the request is not unreasonable to not use
bcc for the list address. In addition, why bother hiding it in bcc?
It's not like you have to keep the list a secret. The only use I've
found for bcc is in sending out a newsletter to a bunch of folks
where you really don't want the full mail list made public.

Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: "Harold A. Driscoll" <harold(at)driscoll.chi.il.us>
To: "Chuck Evans" <Chucke(at)captura.com>
Cc: "'HWG Techniques'" <hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Don't use BCC please (was RE: indexing one pages)


> At 11:15 21-01-00 , Chuck Evans wrote:
> >I'm asking politely for people to stop putting the list address
> >into the BCC, because it defeats my attempts to filter List mail
> >to a separate mail box.
>
> As long as the message complies with RFC 822 (and updates) it is a
> reasonable thing to do, and I've every reason to presume that it did.
There
> is not reason to try to impose mickey-mouse rules on how email should or
> should not be posted... such is the function of protocols such as RFC 822
> (SMTP). Let us focus on content... and let our mail programs attend to the
> administrivia, as rightly they should.
>
> >I know others use filtering too, so you'd make more
> >than just me happy if you complied.
>
> I'd suggest that a substantial number, and likely a substantial majority
of
> list subscribers filter their list email, and do so without the difficulty
> you complain about.
>
> Although it is (when last I look) quite clearly described in the Guild Web
> site, in the interest of nipping this off-topic thread in the bud, let me
> summarize..
>
> ... every Guild list includes the conventional Sender: header line, with a
> unique (to that list) identification, and (of course) it is present in
> every message. For this list, it looks like this:
>
> Sender: owner-hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org
>
> ... if you simply configure you mail program to filter on that line you
> can expect to get the desired result. Anything but the most brain-dead
> email client has the capability to do this.
>
> ... it works. ... so perhaps it isn't the rest of the world that is
> ignorantly doing something inappropriate.  :-(
>
> Safe computing,  /Harold
>
> ps. There are other reasons why the filtering methodology you reference
> will fail... less prevalent no doubt today than when the Guild was formed
> (and when email via gateways were often necessary), but they do remain a
> viable alternative for some. Use of the Sender: header is designed to
work,
> as opposed to a hack that often does. [See the more obscure parts of the
> sendmail reference book (O'Reilly) for examples, grin.]
>
> pps. Use of a Sender: header has been the convention for many years, and
> the Guild follows it. Some recently-formed lists do follow a much newer
> X-Mailing-List: (or such-like) convention. Between the two, almost every
> mailing list you'll encounter can be filtered in this manner (Guild and
> otherwise).
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> "...implementations should follow a general principle of robustness:
> be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from
> others."         --  Jon Postel, "DoD Standard Transmission Control
>                      Protocol", January 1980, RFC 761 at 2.10
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> Harold A. Driscoll                 mailto:Harold(at)Driscoll.Chi.IL.US
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