Re: Feedback on left right scrolling

Hi Linda,

Regarding WebTV, consider that ANYTHING designed larger than about 550px
wide will be compressed, including graphics if necessary. There are two font
styles (serif, sans-serif) and two or three sizes for them. Frames display
but do not lock, and if you have NOFRAMES content, that displays RIGHT ALONG
WITH THE FRAMES CONTENT (kinda weird). All links are selected with a big
yellow box that frequently hides surrounding graphics or text.

I would recommend downloading the free simulator from
http://developer.webtv.net/design/tools/viewer/ (it's 4.2MB for Windows,
5.8MB for Mac), and take a look at some of your pages with it. Some pages
won't look too bad, and others will likely surprise you. I've only recently
begun including WebTV in my design philosophy, so not all of my stuff is
compliant yet. One thing to keep in mind if you DO start writing for WebTV:
It claims to be able to do CSS1/2 -- it's lies. It lies HORRIBLY! Don't
believe it! NETSCAPE 4.x does a better job! :-)

Enjoy!
Kehvan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda Goin" <info(at)goinhome.com>
To: "Kehvan M. Zydhek" <kehvan(at)zydhek.net>; <hwg-techniques(at)mail.hwg.org>;
<mab(at)OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 14:48
Subject: Re: Feedback on left right scrolling


> Now this is a rule I can live with. Browsers do have their limitations,
and
> other than personal opinion I was wondering how that would pan out.
Kehvan,
> thanks - I've never had to deal with browser limitations on webTV since
it's
> out of my hands after the research - is this something that is usual for
say
> a 1024x768 resolution?
>
> Michelle, I'm glad you're going to experiment with it with alternative
pages
> for other browsers. I'd be curious as to your feedback after a time...I
had
> to think about where I saw horizontal scrolling on another site this past
> week - it's at the Primedia Gallery at QuiltersVillage.com -
> http://www.quiltersvillage.com/ (it's in frames, so click on the Primedia
> Gallery and just go to the James collection).
>
> Linda Goin
> www.goinhome.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kehvan M. Zydhek <kehvan(at)zydhek.net>
> To: Steve Mount <steve(at)saltyrain.com>; <hwg-techniques(at)mail.hwg.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 12:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Feedback on left right scrolling
>
>
> > Okay, I'm gonna get in on this.
> >
> > I kinda like the horizontal scrolling technique, as it was fresh. It
> didn't
> > feel like all the other sites I know of (including my own).
Unfortunately,
> > counter to a comment by Chuck Evans about the scrollwheel, I couldn't
use
> > mine (on a Logitech, the second most popular brand of cursor control
> > system), so I had to use the horizontal scrollbar. Also, counter to John
> > Allred's statement (which I may have misinterpreted, as he was
discussing
> > Lynx at the time), I could find the source code and found they presented
> > this site using an extra-wide table and then segmenting it.
> >
> > But all my considerations for implementing a similar design to this were
> > blown away after reading Steve Mount's comments about WebTV. Based on
the
> > simulator I have here (which so far has been pretty close to accurate),
> the
> > site becomes a complete nightmare. For those who don't have WebTV or a
> > simulator, you may see the screen shot of this site, as viewed through
> > WebTV, at www.zydhek.net/test/ubamy-webtv.jpg. It's not pretty! WebTV
does
> > not allow ANY KIND of horizontal scrolling, so everything was compressed
> > into little tiny columns. Most of it is unreadable, and the images are
> > shrunk to microscopic size. It's a shame, too... Horizontal scrolling,
> when
> > used effetively and judiciously, could be very interesting indeed!
> >
> > Kehvan
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Mount" <steve(at)saltyrain.com>
> > To: <hwg-techniques(at)mail.hwg.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 18:59
> > Subject: Re: Feedback on left right scrolling
> >
> >
> > > Personally, I think it works, because it appears they were careful to
> > > prevent both horizontal and vertical scrolling, and they segment the
> pages
> > > so that you do not have to scroll right and left to read one sentence.
> I
> > > think if you're careful to follow similar guidelines, this could be an
> > > interesting way of presenting a web page ... but you're right that it
is
> > > counter to the general web paradigm, and that could lead to confusion
> for
> > > some.  Do all browsers support right and left scrolling?  I'm thinking
> of
> > > WebTV users in particular...
> > >
> > > -------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Steve Mount, Software Engineer            steve(at)saltyrain.com
> > > Home Site                            http://www.saltyrain.com
> > > UVM Class of 1989                http://www.saltyrain.com/uvm
> > > US Constitution Online          http://www.usconstitution.net
> > > Manager, HWG Logo Team                     http://www.hwg.org
>
>
>

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