Re: publishing from a database (MS Access Database)

    Hi all,
    Does Mickysoft have ANY good software? I know I don't like anything I've
tried from them. Not only that, But I heard recently that Gates gives money
to gun control groups!!! Wonder why the rich always feel a need to surppress
the right of the poor to protect themselves?!? I'll bet he has guns, & also
armed bodyguards!!!
    BTW, I can offer hosting at just $15 per month for 25 megs with MySQL &
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    BTW2, Mike you should check your site in 600 x 800 - you have a bottom
scroll bar...... (thought you'd like to know ;^ )
    BTW3, I have six computers networked (& working on more) to test my
sites in different screen res. & with different operating systems & with
different browsers (& versions) etc. etc. You can do the same without too
much expense; most of my 'puters I built myself or bought cheaply online
used. It also makes it easy to backup your files on MULTIPLE HARD DRIVES.
;^ )
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Kear" <choicemag(at)hotmail.com>
To: <hmarq(at)yerpso.net>; <peter.schonefeld(at)bigpond.com>
Cc: <hwg-techniques(at)mail.hwg.org>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: publishing from a database (MS Access Database)


> Using Access as the database for a web site is a recipe for problems.
It's
> not multi-threaded which at best means you can only have one access at a
> time, which will slow everything down, and at worst can end up corrupting
> your data.   I learned this the hard way.
>
> Uploading the data isn't a snip either. You ftp your database to the site,
> then as soon as the web server locks onto it, it's locked, and uploading a
> new version is not easy, until your application times out, often in a day
or
> so.
>
> IF you're expecting to write to the database as well as read from it, then
> you're better to get a 'proper' relational database.  Either yourself
which
> means a significant sum of money I'm afraid, or through a hosting company
> that offers it.  Most offer SQLServer or MYSQL as add-on options, a few
> (wonder who??) offer it as a standard part of the package deal.
>
> [shameless plug]
> If you want a database backend on a 'proper' web site hosting package,
that
> includes ASP, CGI-Bin, ColdFusion and SQLServer, then go see my hosting
> packages at http://www.afpwebworks.com/products/hosting/index.cfm
> [\shameless plug]
>
>
> Cheers,
> Mike Kear
> Windsor, NSW, Australia
> AFP Webworks.
> www.afpwebworks.com
>
>
> >From: Hank Marquardt <hmarq(at)yerpso.net>
> >To: Peter Schonefeld <peter.schonefeld(at)bigpond.com>
> >CC: Hank Marquardt <hmarq(at)yerpso.net>, hwg-techniques(at)mail.hwg.org
> >Subject: Re: publishing from a database (MS Access Database)
> >Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 06:59:15 -0500
> >
> >OK, I editorialized more than I should have an now I must pay --
> >
> >Access has two problems --
> >
> >First, it has long become much too complex to be a true end user
> >database -- something it was probably good at once upon a time.
> >
> >Second, it's nowhere near robust enough from a speed, scaleablilty,
> >reliability standpoint to do real work even at the workgroup level.
> >
> >So what's left? ... I guess you could prototype in it.
> >
> >... and since I've shown my bias already, I expect any links I provide
> >would be seen as biased; but go use google and look for "Access vs.
Mysql"
> >or "Assess vs. SQL Server" or "Access Data Corruption" or "Access User
> >Load"
> >or even go look at the MS bugs database in the Access section.
> >
> >... then ask yourself if you can think of a single web site that has both
> >significant traffic (>10000 hits day) AND even 99.9 uptime (remember,
> >clustered dbs of important stuff would be 99.999 uptime) that uses Access
> >as a backend ... if you can think of one, let me know:)
> >
> >I think someone else mentioned it being an inexpensive platform -- seems
to
> >me
> >there are free alternatives out there; even for windows platforms that
> >perform better ...
> >
> >and so you don't think I'm just an 'open source nut' ... if you want to
> >stay
> >on an MS platform, SQL Server is a perfectly servicable platform, use it
> >and
> >be happy, at least it was designed to be a database and functions
> >accordingly.
> >
> >So none of that helps the original poster solve his problem, but it's my
> >$0.02US on databases.
> >
> >Hank
> >
> >On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 02:19:33PM +1000, Peter Schonefeld wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org
> > > > [mailto:owner-hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org]On Behalf Of
> > > > Hank Marquardt
> > > > Sent: Monday, 10 September 2001 10:19 AM
> > > > To: Duane Ruth-Heffelbower
> > > > Cc: hwg-techniques(at)mail.hwg.org
> > > <Hank>
> > > > Convert the whole darned ap to a real sql
> > > > database (of which I don't consider
> > > > Access)
> > > </Hank>
> > >
> > > Hmmm, A big punch in the face to MS Access.  I'm wondering
> > > what it did to deserve that ;)
> > >
> > > Hank, why don't you consider Access a "real SQL database"?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > -- longest to do, but then updates would
> > > > be real time (or staged with
> > > > permission/publication); whether this is a good
> > > > idea really depends on how
> > > > the workload is spread between web and non-web
> > > > interactions ... though a little
> > > > server box on an intranet bridges the need quite
> > > > nicely as well.
> > > >
> > > > From a dataset size perspective, 400 records in
> > > > nothing and well within what
> > > > even access can handle but if you're going to let
> > > > the world bang on it and look
> > > > at it I think you want something more robust.
> > > >
> > > > HTH
> > > >
> > > > Hank
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 09:36:57PM -0500, Duane
> > > > Ruth-Heffelbower wrote:
> > > > > I do the web work for a non-profit with about
> > > > 400 members who are kept track
> > > > > of in an Access database. The group wants to
> > > > make some of the membership
> > > > > info available on the web, names, areas of
> > > > practice and contact info. I have
> > > > > not done a database to web piece before. What
> > > > would be the best way to
> > > > > handle it, assuming updates a few times a year?
> > > > > __________________________________________________
> > > > > Duane Ruth-Heffelbower, Webmaster
> > > > > www.voma.org, www.vorp.org
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> > > > > www.RJInternational.org
> > > > > www.EmpoweringForReconciliation.org
> > > > > www.ukdw.ac.id/lpip/pspp
> > > > > www.peacemaking.com  www.duanerh.iwarp.com
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Hank Marquardt <hank(at)yerpso.net>
> > > > http://web.yerpso.net
> > > >
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> >
> >--
> >Hank Marquardt <hank(at)yerpso.net>
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> >
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