>> Going
>> "table-less" certainly doesn't have to be a requirement
>> for "good CSS."


No, but I believe the intention is to make the document's code reflect it's
structural flow as opposed to making presentation the focus of that code.

This is a worthwhile goal, IMHO, as it provides the foundation for another
Holy Grail: presentation of the same document across multiple platforms with
a simple change of the stylesheet.

Or maybe I'm just one of those weirdoes who is crazy to believe that the Web
is more and more commonly consisting of platforms other then
visually-oriented PC/Mac-based browsers...?

In any case, I believe that the committees themselves would agree that there
is work yet to be done on both CSS itself and on platform support for it in
general.  So would I.  I guess the question is whether we are focusing on
that issue or on what we *can* get out of CSS today...:).

Again, here is a design that meets the specs of the original request that
started this thread, done without tables:

http://webctr.com/css-footer.html

If a person would prefer to have the design liquid, so that it stretched
with the page, that can also be done simply by replacing the pixel widths in
some of the basic block-level elements with percentile values. I hard-coded
the width because that is what the original poster specified.

There have been plenty of other links presented in this thread showing many
ways to successfully achieve similar ends.  I think it might be a bit of
overkill to write off CSS in general just because it's not possible to use a
floating bottom footer with a completely absolutely positioned layout (which
is the problem that started the thread).

Perhaps I am missing something, but I personally am very excited about the
improved level of support the newest browsers have provided us. Being
primarily a programmer, I guess I tend to feel more comfortable thinking
about a document in terms of it's structural layout than it's visual
appearance...:). Of course the latter is vital when building sites, but I
believe I can achieve the same results with CSS that I used to get with
tables.

And, after a year of studying and of "try, try again", it's not any harder
for me to code the CSS than it is to write a table!

:)

D


----- Original Message -----
From: "David Jones" <dvjones(at)ksbe.edu>

... Just
pointed out that CSS isn't quite there yet, and IMHO
this is partly due to the CSS standards committee and
some of its decisions. You can certainly use tables as
layout devices and use CSS at the same time. Going
"table-less" certainly doesn't have to be a requirement
for "good CSS."

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