At 11:15 21-01-00 , Chuck Evans wrote:
>I'm asking politely for people to stop putting the list address 
>into the BCC, because it defeats my attempts to filter List mail 
>to a separate mail box. 

As long as the message complies with RFC 822 (and updates) it is a
reasonable thing to do, and I've every reason to presume that it did. There
is not reason to try to impose mickey-mouse rules on how email should or
should not be posted... such is the function of protocols such as RFC 822
(SMTP). Let us focus on content... and let our mail programs attend to the
administrivia, as rightly they should.

>I know others use filtering too, so you'd make more 
>than just me happy if you complied.

I'd suggest that a substantial number, and likely a substantial majority of
list subscribers filter their list email, and do so without the difficulty
you complain about.

Although it is (when last I look) quite clearly described in the Guild Web
site, in the interest of nipping this off-topic thread in the bud, let me
summarize..

	... every Guild list includes the conventional Sender: header line, with a
unique (to that list) identification, and (of course) it is present in
every message. For this list, it looks like this:

	Sender: owner-hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org

	... if you simply configure you mail program to filter on that line you
can expect to get the desired result. Anything but the most brain-dead
email client has the capability to do this.

	... it works. ... so perhaps it isn't the rest of the world that is
ignorantly doing something inappropriate.  :-(

Safe computing,  /Harold

ps. There are other reasons why the filtering methodology you reference
will fail... less prevalent no doubt today than when the Guild was formed
(and when email via gateways were often necessary), but they do remain a
viable alternative for some. Use of the Sender: header is designed to work,
as opposed to a hack that often does. [See the more obscure parts of the
sendmail reference book (O'Reilly) for examples, grin.]

pps. Use of a Sender: header has been the convention for many years, and
the Guild follows it. Some recently-formed lists do follow a much newer
X-Mailing-List: (or such-like) convention. Between the two, almost every
mailing list you'll encounter can be filtered in this manner (Guild and
otherwise).
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be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from 
others."         --  Jon Postel, "DoD Standard Transmission Control
                     Protocol", January 1980, RFC 761 at 2.10
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