its in the version with the easter egg thing. whatewver its called. i
think. no one has IE4 installed here.

it was demonstrated at a macromedia seminar in bristol a while back. and
i tihnk its IE4SP1 that has it. but it is there. on win98 and NT4 hold
down ctrl while you right click and go to properties on the startbar and
there is an extra tab dor something MS decided to take out in 95. but
left the code fir it there. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Benoit [mailto:pbenoit(at)triton-network.com]
Sent: 30 October 2000 14:58
To: 'Rob Prentice'; hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org
Subject: RE: IE to Frontpage


Well I guess they fired that guy, cause I don't see any DW specific
stuff in
the current version help files.  ;)


*  -----Original Message-----
*  From: Rob Prentice [mailto:RJP(at)CLICKDMS.com]
*  Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 9:51 AM
*  To: 'Peter Benoit'; hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org
*  Subject: RE: IE to Frontpage
*  
*  
*  in internet explorer 4.
*  
*  -----Original Message-----
*  From: Peter Benoit [mailto:pbenoit(at)triton-network.com]
*  Sent: 30 October 2000 14:46
*  To: 'Rob Prentice'; hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org
*  Subject: RE: IE to Frontpage
*  
*  
*  What help files display Dreamweaver copyright source code?
*  
*  *  -----Original Message-----
*  *  From: Rob Prentice [mailto:RJP(at)clickdms.com]
*  *  Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 8:46 AM
*  *  To: hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org
*  *  Subject: RE: IE to Frontpage
*  *  
*  *  
*  *  opera for lunix is out... not sure what its like, but the 
*  version on
*  *  BeOS was pretty good. apart from BeOS's lack of Java support.
*  *  
*  *  but, on to the MS saying that front page is an industry 
*  *  standard (going
*  *  from what April said) .... MS dont use front page. in IE4, 
*  *  if you look
*  *  at the source code for its help files, you will see a dreamweaver
*  *  copyright in there. MS use dreamweaver, and dont realy 
*  *  develope software
*  *  on windows, they use linux.
*  *  so... if front page is so good, and its an industry 
*  *  standard, why dont
*  *  MS use it? they dont use it because they made it, and 
*  they know how
*  *  appalingly bad it is.
*  *  
*  *   Rob.
*  *  
*  *  -----Original Message-----
*  *  From: April [mailto:april(at)farstrider.org]
*  *  Sent: 30 October 2000 12:06
*  *  To: Trevor Lockwood; hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org
*  *  Subject: Re: IE to Frontpage
*  *  
*  *  
*  *  Yeah...
*  *  
*  *  they make me use it at work...  The thing I hate about 
*  frontpage is,
*  *  it's
*  *  lovely as long as you never ever leave a microsoft 
*  *  environment.  We have
*  *  a
*  *  huge storefront which someone made part of into a web the 
*  *  other day to
*  *  try
*  *  to work on a sites chrome. Oopsies, we had to completely 
*  *  overwrite the
*  *  server from tape to get it to start working again for any 
*  *  site, and we
*  *  have
*  *  nooo idea what frontpage did to disrupt the code.  We've 
*  written huge
*  *  sites,
*  *  only to have to publish on a server that didn't have 
*  *  frontpage and then
*  *  ended up spending as much time as we spent doing it 
*  trying to get the
*  *  links
*  *  working again.
*  *  
*  *  Basically, if you know that every single time you design 
*  *  it's going to
*  *  be
*  *  for a frontpage supporting server, from scratch, always to 
*  *  be opened in
*  *  frontpage, and for IE users, you're fine.  But despite 
*  what Microsoft
*  *  says,
*  *  it is not an industry standard.  If you ever want to resort 
*  *  to the tried
*  *  and
*  *  true methods of ftp or fixing code in notepad, sites begin to
*  *  inexplicably
*  *  quit working right (a lot of stuff requires the "publish" 
*  command to
*  *  work
*  *  right, and the overhead for a server that goes with all 
*  the frontpage
*  *  extensions is pretty big).
*  *  
*  *  Personally, for WYSIWYG I'd rather stick with 
*  Dreamweaver.  It's not
*  *  even so
*  *  much that Dreamweaver is a  better working environment (a 
*  *  lot of people
*  *  who
*  *  are used to Word learn Frontpage a lot faster because of 
*  that), it's
*  *  because
*  *  when Dreamweaver fails it does so so much better.  I have 
*  *  yet to have to
*  *  spend 20 hours on a site doing something like fixing links 
*  *  or trying to
*  *  keep
*  *  one little stylesheet thing working in a site done totally in
*  *  Dreamweaver.
*  *  I have to do so regularly for sites done in Frontpage.
*  *  
*  *  Anyway, your idea of stripping out the obvoiusly wrong code 
*  *  sorta works.
*  *  If
*  *  you never use like half of the functions in frontpage, 
*  just use it to
*  *  center
*  *  stuff and such, you don't need the publish command so you 
*  *  can edit it in
*  *  notepad and do that (you could also just use HomeSite for 
*  that, too,
*  *  from
*  *  from what I hear).  If you ever open the site in frontpage again,
*  *  though, to
*  *  make a revision, the code will come back and you'll have to 
*  *  re-take it
*  *  out
*  *  again (you can turn overwriting your code off in 
*  *  preferences, but that
*  *  doesn't seem to totally convince it not to overwrite your 
*  code if the
*  *  site
*  *  was originally made in frontpage in the first place).  
*  And, at some
*  *  point,
*  *  if you take out or add the wrong tag, your site might just 
*  *  stop working
*  *  in
*  *  frontpage.
*  *  
*  *  Ack, sorry about the long rant.  You really should try out 
*  *  Dreamweaver
*  *  somday though.
*  *  
*  *  Ohh, and to throw my two cents into the Netscape debate:  I 
*  *  use IE for
*  *  the
*  *  PC & Windows all the time.  Everyone's been pretty dead 
*  on about it
*  *  actually
*  *  working.  Unfortunately, the first computer I had access 
*  *  with was an old
*  *  Mac
*  *  laptop...  Netscape died on pages with huge tables or midis, 
*  *  but IE died
*  *  on
*  *  EVERYTHING else.  I also just switch into linux most nights 
*  *  when all I'm
*  *  doing is chatting and coding, where I dont' need windows for 
*  *  my graphics
*  *  aps.  Linux doesn't have a version of IE, so even if the 
*  version of
*  *  netscape
*  *  seems even slower and more oddball than usual, that's what I have.
*  *  
*  *  So don't everyone get all "only freaks don't use IE, I'll ignore
*  *  netscape"
*  *  because one of these days you're going to have a client say 
*  *  to you "Oh,
*  *  well, back in 96 we bought a bunch of Macintoshes. Our 
*  sys admin says
*  *  they
*  *  aren't cut out for running the latest IE.  Why can't you 
*  make a site
*  *  that
*  *  looks good and works on our computers too?  Weren't you 
*  *  supposed to be a
*  *  web
*  *  designer?" or even worse, get someone who knows the internet 
*  *  inside and
*  *  out
*  *  and who just contract out to web designers the "easy stuff" 
*  *  like chrome
*  *  and
*  *  html.
*  *  
*  *  
*  *  April
*  *  
*  *  
*  *  
*  *  ----- Original Message -----
*  *  From: "Trevor Lockwood" <trevor(at)author.co.uk>
*  *  To: <hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org>
*  *  Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 3:08 AM
*  *  Subject: IE to Frontpage
*  *  
*  *  
*  *  > Tim
*  *  >
*  *  > I agree with your support of IE. I have huge problems with 
*  *  Netscape. A
*  *  long
*  *  > term critic of MS I am being converted and use many MS 
*  *  products. I now
*  *  have
*  *  > a copy of Frontpage 98, which seems to do everything I 
*  need - not
*  *  least a
*  *  > site search engine, and the ability to link to my 
*  *  databases. Are there
*  *  any
*  *  > strong objections to using it? I will strip out 
*  anything obviously
*  *  wrong
*  *  and
*  *  > verify the code with W3 before loading to the site?
*  *  >
*  *  > Like SSI it seems to good to be true.
*  *  >
*  *  > Trevor
*  *  > http://www.author.co.uk
*  *  >
*  *  >
*  *  >
*  *  >
*  *  
*  

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