in internet explorer 4.

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Benoit [mailto:pbenoit(at)triton-network.com]
Sent: 30 October 2000 14:46
To: 'Rob Prentice'; hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org
Subject: RE: IE to Frontpage


What help files display Dreamweaver copyright source code?

*  -----Original Message-----
*  From: Rob Prentice [mailto:RJP(at)clickdms.com]
*  Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 8:46 AM
*  To: hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org
*  Subject: RE: IE to Frontpage
*  
*  
*  opera for lunix is out... not sure what its like, but the version on
*  BeOS was pretty good. apart from BeOS's lack of Java support.
*  
*  but, on to the MS saying that front page is an industry 
*  standard (going
*  from what April said) .... MS dont use front page. in IE4, 
*  if you look
*  at the source code for its help files, you will see a dreamweaver
*  copyright in there. MS use dreamweaver, and dont realy 
*  develope software
*  on windows, they use linux.
*  so... if front page is so good, and its an industry 
*  standard, why dont
*  MS use it? they dont use it because they made it, and they know how
*  appalingly bad it is.
*  
*   Rob.
*  
*  -----Original Message-----
*  From: April [mailto:april(at)farstrider.org]
*  Sent: 30 October 2000 12:06
*  To: Trevor Lockwood; hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org
*  Subject: Re: IE to Frontpage
*  
*  
*  Yeah...
*  
*  they make me use it at work...  The thing I hate about frontpage is,
*  it's
*  lovely as long as you never ever leave a microsoft 
*  environment.  We have
*  a
*  huge storefront which someone made part of into a web the 
*  other day to
*  try
*  to work on a sites chrome. Oopsies, we had to completely 
*  overwrite the
*  server from tape to get it to start working again for any 
*  site, and we
*  have
*  nooo idea what frontpage did to disrupt the code.  We've written huge
*  sites,
*  only to have to publish on a server that didn't have 
*  frontpage and then
*  ended up spending as much time as we spent doing it trying to get the
*  links
*  working again.
*  
*  Basically, if you know that every single time you design 
*  it's going to
*  be
*  for a frontpage supporting server, from scratch, always to 
*  be opened in
*  frontpage, and for IE users, you're fine.  But despite what Microsoft
*  says,
*  it is not an industry standard.  If you ever want to resort 
*  to the tried
*  and
*  true methods of ftp or fixing code in notepad, sites begin to
*  inexplicably
*  quit working right (a lot of stuff requires the "publish" command to
*  work
*  right, and the overhead for a server that goes with all the frontpage
*  extensions is pretty big).
*  
*  Personally, for WYSIWYG I'd rather stick with Dreamweaver.  It's not
*  even so
*  much that Dreamweaver is a  better working environment (a 
*  lot of people
*  who
*  are used to Word learn Frontpage a lot faster because of that), it's
*  because
*  when Dreamweaver fails it does so so much better.  I have 
*  yet to have to
*  spend 20 hours on a site doing something like fixing links 
*  or trying to
*  keep
*  one little stylesheet thing working in a site done totally in
*  Dreamweaver.
*  I have to do so regularly for sites done in Frontpage.
*  
*  Anyway, your idea of stripping out the obvoiusly wrong code 
*  sorta works.
*  If
*  you never use like half of the functions in frontpage, just use it to
*  center
*  stuff and such, you don't need the publish command so you 
*  can edit it in
*  notepad and do that (you could also just use HomeSite for that, too,
*  from
*  from what I hear).  If you ever open the site in frontpage again,
*  though, to
*  make a revision, the code will come back and you'll have to 
*  re-take it
*  out
*  again (you can turn overwriting your code off in 
*  preferences, but that
*  doesn't seem to totally convince it not to overwrite your code if the
*  site
*  was originally made in frontpage in the first place).  And, at some
*  point,
*  if you take out or add the wrong tag, your site might just 
*  stop working
*  in
*  frontpage.
*  
*  Ack, sorry about the long rant.  You really should try out 
*  Dreamweaver
*  somday though.
*  
*  Ohh, and to throw my two cents into the Netscape debate:  I 
*  use IE for
*  the
*  PC & Windows all the time.  Everyone's been pretty dead on about it
*  actually
*  working.  Unfortunately, the first computer I had access 
*  with was an old
*  Mac
*  laptop...  Netscape died on pages with huge tables or midis, 
*  but IE died
*  on
*  EVERYTHING else.  I also just switch into linux most nights 
*  when all I'm
*  doing is chatting and coding, where I dont' need windows for 
*  my graphics
*  aps.  Linux doesn't have a version of IE, so even if the version of
*  netscape
*  seems even slower and more oddball than usual, that's what I have.
*  
*  So don't everyone get all "only freaks don't use IE, I'll ignore
*  netscape"
*  because one of these days you're going to have a client say 
*  to you "Oh,
*  well, back in 96 we bought a bunch of Macintoshes. Our sys admin says
*  they
*  aren't cut out for running the latest IE.  Why can't you make a site
*  that
*  looks good and works on our computers too?  Weren't you 
*  supposed to be a
*  web
*  designer?" or even worse, get someone who knows the internet 
*  inside and
*  out
*  and who just contract out to web designers the "easy stuff" 
*  like chrome
*  and
*  html.
*  
*  
*  April
*  
*  
*  
*  ----- Original Message -----
*  From: "Trevor Lockwood" <trevor(at)author.co.uk>
*  To: <hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org>
*  Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 3:08 AM
*  Subject: IE to Frontpage
*  
*  
*  > Tim
*  >
*  > I agree with your support of IE. I have huge problems with 
*  Netscape. A
*  long
*  > term critic of MS I am being converted and use many MS 
*  products. I now
*  have
*  > a copy of Frontpage 98, which seems to do everything I need - not
*  least a
*  > site search engine, and the ability to link to my 
*  databases. Are there
*  any
*  > strong objections to using it? I will strip out anything obviously
*  wrong
*  and
*  > verify the code with W3 before loading to the site?
*  >
*  > Like SSI it seems to good to be true.
*  >
*  > Trevor
*  > http://www.author.co.uk
*  >
*  >
*  >
*  >
*  

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