Hmmm...


I would find it more a pain than an advantage.  The problem is frames need
some good thinking and some good experience with them.  I agree many sites
have frame-related bugs in them, but that's mainly because they are either
badly implemented (Netscape - no pixel-precise sizing) or because the coder
didn't make correct use of the features or has made errors in the coding
(wrong target,...).

- Kayjey -

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org
[mailto:owner-hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org]Namens Dandello
Verzonden: donderdag 31 mei 2001 16:46
Aan: 'Hwg-Techniques'
Onderwerp: RE: Frames


In point of fact, you can test SSI on your own HD - you need to be running a
server addressing 'localhost'.
OmniHTTPD works very well on Windos machines and is very simple to
configure. Apache has been ported to Windos and is a more powerful server,
but is much more difficult to configure properly.
As to extra server load due to SSI, I personally haven't found a degradation
of speed in moving to SSI rather than frames to insert the same navigation
block in multiple pages.
Also, frames appear to be in the process of being depreciated by the W3C, so
at some point many of us will be rethinking the use of frames at all.

Dandello


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org
[mailto:owner-hwg-techniques(at)hwg.org]On Behalf Of Larry Coats
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:15 PM
To: 'Hwg-Techniques'
Subject: Re: Frames


> I would also like to point out that some of the advantages of frames can
be
> duplicated using other technologies.  For example, a single navigation bar
> can be included in every page using an IFRAME and ILAYER, server-side
(using
> SSI, PHP, ASP, etc), Templates within an your HTML editor, JavaScript,
etc.
>
> Tim

Well, let's see.

IFRAME and ILAYER - seems to me that even fewer browsers support those than
support frames. At a minimum, you're throwing out Netscape 2 and 3. Probably
some Opera versions.

Server-side? Possibility, if you're doing server-side stuff on the site
anyway.
But if you're just serving up otherwise static pages, you're introducing
needless complications and adding to the server's load. And making it so
that
you can't test your pages directly off your hard drive.

Templates in an editor? Might be at least some help, depending on which
editor
you're using.

Javascript? Easy to implement. But I'd sure hate to have my site navigable
only
by javascript-enabled browsers.

All in all, I think that frames do provide some nice capabilities that just
can't be achieved any other way. I sure wish the W3C would ponder how to fix
the
problems with frames rather than simply throwing them out.

Larry Coats

 

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