Re: Webmaster or Web Designer [was web design -- one Photoshop file with everything ???]

Michael I totally agree --

Im dedicating myself to this business and I like to do things right and
not half***** 

Its a challenge to get into the advanced aspects of programming but its
a challenge I welcome. It was so insulting to me that this major
company with all the resources at their disposal -- would hand over a
critical site to someone who essentially doesnt care enough to learn
how to do it right nor would he allow any input from the "nobody" (me)
who actually could have gotten at least a good part of it done alone
with the IT programmers who were blatantly disrespected and ignored on
this project.

I calmly walked out at 4:45 this afternoon leaving his lordship "THE
Designer" (I dont rank I guess) to sort out his own mess. 

BTW he asked me how to change the background to a solid color instead
of the image hes using --- I smiled and referred him to the free
training this Company offeres its employees since hes one and Im not --
He can get it for free. I cant.

But dang at least I care.

Cheers

Lisa

--- Michael Boyer <galdor(at)vaix2.net> wrote:
> Lisa,
> 
> You just pointed out one of the things that I
> personally find makes the
> difference between success and failure. ANYTHING
> having to do with
> computers, whether it be programming, hardware, or
> design, changes so
> quickly that one MUST constantly seek to improve
> skills and grow beyond
> your current skill level. Those that, "can't bother
> to learn something"
> are likely to their services no longer needed.
> 
> As for your comments about coding... It is all well
> and good that WSIWYG
> editors have come along because it does help
> simplify things and speed
> up design process, however, I think it's a serious
> mistake for people to
> jump into this field NOT KNOWING even HTML. It's not
> like the language
> is that difficult to pick up, and knowing it's
> structure and uses has
> helped me DOZENS of times when problems
> arise--either the validator
> missed something, or the WYSIWYG editor did
> something to the code I
> didn't want.
> 
> In MY eyes, there are actually too fields going on
> here: Webmaster, and
> Web Designer. The too are fundamentally the same in
> that they design
> webpages, but that's where the similarities end. A
> Webmaster goes above
> and beyond that to incorporate other skills such as
> basic programming
> (Javascript, JAVA, PERL), designs the graphics
> themselves, and even gets
> into the guts of a host/server to set up CGI scripts
> and such things,
> while a Web Designer stops at putting the pages
> together, finding
> graphics, and putting them together.
> 
> While thise distinction isn't a great one, I find it
> to be growing as
> more people come into the web-field relying solely
> upon software and not
> getting their "hands dirty" by getting into the code
> and system they are
> working on.
> 
> It's gotten to the point that I'm tempted to write a
> book on the
> subject. *chuckle*
> 
> Please realize, for those that read this, I am not
> trying to discredit
> those that don't know the code, I just think that if
> they bothered to
> learn it, their skills would improve, and so would
> their clientelle....
> 
> Michael Boyer
> Boyer Webscaping
> 
> 
> L. J. Durham wrote:
> > 
> > Im not sure if this goes outside of the guidlines
> of "acceptable"
> > topics for this area -- but it seems very relevent
> to me -------
> > 
> > How scary is this?
> > 
> > Im working at a major Fortune 500 company at the
> moment -- they've
> > decided to let someone who is essentially clueless
> develop their latest
> > intranet site.
> > 
> > He decided to "do everything in Photoshop because
> its much more
> > creative" ---. This includes text, icons --
> everything. There are over
> > 200 layers to this PSD file --------- and hes
> sorely ticked at trying
> > to make the doezens of changes they were asking
> for all morning. He is
> > a traditional Graphic Designer.
> > 
> > Now he's upset because the IT people informed him
> that if he's going to
> > design the intranet site -- then hed better learn
> how to code -- they
> > cant do a thing with his file -- AHEM lets not
> even talk about the
> > Linking issues -------- everything -- links and
> all are in this one PSD
> > file.
> > 
> > They are arguing about it now -- this "designer"
> says that he "can't be
> > bothered" to even learn HTML let alone javacript
> or DHTML -- he doesnt
> > think its necessary ------
> > 
> > This is what I was thinking of when I said in
> another post that I am
> > glad Im driven enough to want to learn and be
> stronger with my
> > programming skills. To me design is a synergy of
> graphics and
> > programming -- not either of them as separate
> entities.
> > 
> > Any thoughts on his approach? Ive never heard of
> anyone using what is
> > essentially an image-editing tool to build a whole
> site --------------
> > 
> > Lisa
> >
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> -- 
> Michael Boyer (aka Galdor)
> galdor(at)vaix2.net
> AUTHOR: "The Gladiator and the Princess"
> "That which does not kill us, makes us stronger..."
> 

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