Re: CSS and XML for Dummies...

Steve I suggest you read my other posts about the hell Im going through
with a Fortune 500 client that has a "designer" who knows graphic
design and nothing about programming -- not even HTML.Please -- I know
HTML is the basic of all the things anyone should know -- but youd be
amazed at how many "web designers" dont know even that --- there are
even some posts Im getting from people saying they dont know HTML
either -- they rely on their software programs to handle the code. 

As I said in the post -- this Graphics Guru says he "doesnt care" and
doesnt have to know it" ------- the guy put together a whole intranet
site in one Photoshop PSD file over 200 pages (pages, links, icons the
works) and couldnt understand why the damned thing doesnt do what he
thinks it should do.

He said that "Photoshop is much more creative and its all he needs" ---
when the IT people got hold of it they flipped --- now they have to
spend MORE money to bring someone in who will clean up the mess and
re-do the thing properly. I agree -- you have to know advanced
programming and the like. Thats my point. Most of the people Im coming
across either expect that you know these things or that you are getting
yourself up-to-speed with the technologies available.

I sat there and took it all in -- because I was blatantly disrespected
and ignored when I tried to bring attention to the fact that his way
isnt the way to get the job done -- as arrogant as he wants to be
because hes a talented graphic designer -- he doenst make the grade on
the web.

Self-centered ?? Not by a long shot.

Lisa

--- Garbanga <webmaster(at)spelaean.com> wrote:
> > Well I guess I am fortunate and driven enough to
> be able to function as
> > both a graphic designer and programmer --- they
> both go hand-in-hand.
> > Its just strange to me that there are web
> designers who cant work with
> > code and only with graphics and vice-versa ---- o
> well.
> 
> Yuck.  What a self-centered thing to write.  It
> appears to be
> so, anyway.  On top of that, I believe that that
> isn't what we're
> talking about.  Any of us on here who do web
> graphics can
> probably get around in HTML, and maybe DHMTL,
> Javascript,
> CSS, etc. with no problem.  It's pretty easy to gain
> fluency in
> HTML.  We're talking about script writing in
> languages such
> as Perl, C++, Visual Basic, etc..
> 
> I'm awaiting further CSS and XML compatibility.  I'm
> already doing
> some sites that are completely controlled by CSS. 
> The compatibilty
> will catch up, I'm sure (hopefully Netscape will add
> more CSS
> support to their browser... {body a:hover} is not
> supported!).
> Linking to CSS documents REALLY speeds a site up.
> 
> I've already been working with XML to a certain
> extent, and it's
> database "programming" a designer can live with.
> 
> Good graphics and navigation are very important to a
> site.
> Knowledge of techniques for reducing file sizes and
> incorporating
> your graphics with very custom code are important a
> web
> designer.  I think that if someone excels as an
> artist, they
> might find it difficult to grasp database
> programming.  Programming
> and artistry are each on different sides of the
> brain.
> 
> CSS and XML are fairly simple to grasp, and are
> nothing
> but beneficial for everyone.  This, fortunately, is
> the direction
> we're headed in.
> 
> For now, we really just need better WYSIWYG online
> database
> management and e-commerce.  What's out now is pretty
> limited (especially for e-commerce).
> 
> I like beef.
> 
> -Steve
> 
> 

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