Re: CSS and XML for Dummies...

<~Heading towards the "Off Topic" Corner with Dunce Cap sniff sniff
sniff <wink>

--- Carol Parent <parent(at)djam.com> wrote:
>
http://search.nytimes.com/search/daily/bin/fastweb?getdoc+site+site+74426+3+
> wAAA+A%7ENew%7ELanguage%7EMay%7EEase%7EWeb%7EUse%7E
> 
> That url may not come thru so copy and paste the
> whole thing into your
> browser.  That is an article from the New York Times
> on XML and will kind of
> give ppl a feel for what is happening in that arena.
> 
> Now I am done with this topic publicly before I get
> a note telling me to
> quit since I am way off topic here. <grin>
> 
> Carol<~~~~~ Going back to her corner of  Cyberspace
> before she is sent to be
> without supper.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary Barber <gazbe(at)omen.com.au>
> To: <hwg-graphics(at)mail.hwg.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 9:35 AM
> Subject: RE: CSS and XML for Dummies...
> 
> 
> >
> > This is a little Off topic, but ...
> >
> > This is just what I thinking the other day.  And
> up pops a Gartner Report
> > saying that in the US the big thing that is being
> implemented at the
> moment
> > by 50% of web sites is XML.  Its the flavour of
> the Quarter according to
> > this report.  Now personally I don't think much of
> these reports.
> >
> >
> http://gartner12.gartnerweb.com/public/static/home/home.html
> >
> > But, maybe I'm being a little thick here (;>) but
> if the Browser will not
> > support XML or XSL then whats the point. If the
> agent can't see it, its
> > still theory. I know that XML is great for Search
> etc and its what we
> need.
> > But at the moment only IE 5 (partly I think)
> supports XML. Maybe its just
> > too far off (next quarter maybe).
> >
> > For Instance is Office 2000 XML aware. I know some
> editors and Application
> > Servers have provision for XML, buts thats all
> I've heard.
> >
> > Any one else know anything, It's a great idea,
> just I'll like to see
> > something besides W3C trials etc.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > radharc.
> >
> >
> > > I have a great book that has HTML4, XML, and
> Java published by QUE --
> > > great tutorials and full reference material.
> > >
> > > But my understanding is that XML isnt supported
> that much yet -- so Im
> > > wondering if its worth it to even start working
> with the tutorials that
> > > came with this book. I know its important to
> expand horizons and keep
> > > up -- but its hard when one of the first things
> you read about latest
> > > developments is "not widely supported". Any
> thoughts?
> > >
> > > Lisa
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Carol Parent <parent(at)djam.com> wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > What was your resource for learning XML and
> CSS?
> > > > Also to, would you
> > > > recommend learning them separately to
> understand how
> > > > they work without each
> > > > other, or learning them as a pair, since you
> almost
> > > > always read about them
> > > > together.  I have visited http://www.xml.com 
> and
> > > > have noodled enough up in
> > > > there to wander off confused and talking to
> myself.
> > > > I have used CSS in
> > > > special cases when I wanted text to do a bit
> more
> > > > than HTML could make it do
> > > > and didn't want to fool with graphics, but
> have
> > > > never really delved into it
> > > > to much because of the problems with the
> browser
> > > > support, but that seems to
> > > > be coming to end.  XML and CSS seem to be the
> > > > replacement for HTML, they
> > > > call it XSL(?), and ppl talk about it as the
> holy
> > > > grail of Internet
> > > > Solutions.  So to get back to my original
> question,
> > > > how do you like XML and
> > > > what did you find was a good resource for
> learning
> > > > it?  Books, sites etc?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks much
> > > > Carol<~~~~Looking for the breadcrumbs she
> dropped to
> > > > find her way back.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Garbanga <webmaster(at)spelaean.com>
> > > > To: <hwg-graphics(at)mail.hwg.org>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 4:51 PM
> > > > Subject: CSS and XML for Dummies...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > Well I guess I am fortunate and driven
> enough to
> > > > be able to function as
> > > > > > both a graphic designer and programmer ---
> they
> > > > both go hand-in-hand.
> > > > > > Its just strange to me that there are web
> > > > designers who cant work with
> > > > > > code and only with graphics and vice-versa
> ----
> > > > o well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yuck.  What a self-centered thing to write. 
> It
> > > > appears to be
> > > > > so, anyway.  On top of that, I believe that
> that
> > > > isn't what we're
> > > > > talking about.  Any of us on here who do web
> > > > graphics can
> > > > > probably get around in HTML, and maybe
> DHMTL,
> > > > Javascript,
> > > > > CSS, etc. with no problem.  It's pretty easy
> to
> > > > gain fluency in
> > > > > HTML.  We're talking about script writing in
> > > > languages such
> > > > > as Perl, C++, Visual Basic, etc..
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm awaiting further CSS and XML
> compatibility.
> > > > I'm already doing
> > > > > some sites that are completely controlled by
> CSS.
> > > > The compatibilty
> > > > > will catch up, I'm sure (hopefully Netscape
> will
> > > > add more CSS
> > > > > support to their browser... {body a:hover}
> is not
> > > > supported!).
> > > > > Linking to CSS documents REALLY speeds a
> site up.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've already been working with XML to a
> certain
> > > > extent, and it's
> > > > > database "programming" a designer can live
> with.
> > > > >
> > > > > Good graphics and navigation are very
> important to
> > > > a site.
> > > > > Knowledge of techniques for reducing file
> sizes
> > > > and incorporating
> > > > > your graphics with very custom code are
> important
> > > > a web
> > > > > designer.  I think that if someone excels as
> an
> > > > artist, they
> > > > > might find it difficult to grasp database
> > > > programming.  Programming
> > > > > and artistry are each on different sides of
> the
> 
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