Re: Morality and Pirated Software

> It's wrong, wrong, wrong.  If someone says it's
> okay, they're wrong.  Period.  And to not say it's wrong is to allow them
to
> feel okay about what they've done.  You've condoned the action and I
cannot
> condone it.

Exactly what I'm talking about! It all just depends on what you believe in.
Different people have different beliefs. Some people worship gold cows, and
some people don't. You have to respect what they believe in. If not the
whole world would be at war! You have to take into consideration what other
people think. You can't just say my beliefs are what everyone should
believe.

I haven't condoned anything. I am just trying to show you the other side of
the fence.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cook, Shelby" <scook(at)equibase.com>
To: "'Matthew Ohlman'" <matthew(at)ohlman.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 3:50 PM
Subject: RE: Morality and Pirated Software


>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Matthew Ohlman [mailto:matthew(at)ohlman.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 3:56 PM
> > To: Martin Clifford; scook(at)equibase.com; hwg-basics(at)hwg.org;
> > webguroo(at)tampabay.rr.com
> > Subject: Re: Morality and Pirated Software
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >>No, but you're missing the point. The value in the cookbook
> > that was sold
> > was not in a single recipe, it was in the collection.  If you
> > copied more
> > than a few recipies, or say, the whole book, then it is
> > immoral, wrong and
> > illegal. You're not just sending a couple of lines of code,
> > you're sending
> > the whole thing to someone else.<<
> >
> > So? It was said that you are stealing from the person who
> > wrote the code!!
> > If you steal three lines of code, you have stole from the
> > writer. It dosen't
> > matter if you steal one piece of gum from a pack or the whole
> > thing, its
> > stealing.
>
> And you seemed to imply that none of it was wrong, or at least that's how
I
> read it.
>
> I'm certainly not saying that there isn't line drawing in determining what
> is right and wrong.
> There is.
> But to say that copying and sending a whole program is so far out of
bounds
> that everyone should know it's wrong. And I truly believe they do.  They
> 'justify' it in a number of ways but it comes down to the fact that they
> don't want to pay for what they can get free and have little chance at
being
> caught and punished for.
>
>
>
> >
> > >Now that's just ridiculous.  It is not immoral to be strong
> > enough in your
> > >convictions to say that your belief is the correct one.
> > Everyone feels
> > they
> > >have to be so politically correct that they don't want to
> > say they're not
> > >going to be swayed by the prevailing morals of the time (or
> > lack thereof).
> > >Now there may not be a 'great book of morals' but I don't know of any
> > >religion or civilization that says that stealing is not immoral.
> >
> > I NEVER said that you shouldn't stand up for your for what
> > you believe in.
>
> No, but you did say I won't say it's right or it's wrong and that it's
> immoral to say that you're right and everyone else is wrong.  To me, that
> says that you don't have enough conviction to either agree or disagree OR
> that you don't want to 'condem' those for what they've done. Maybe I read
it
> the wrong way.
>
> > I
> > said don't be so negative in saying that everyone else is
> > wrong.
>
> Why?  I just don't see it. We're not talking about whether one should use
> frames or css.  This is a fundamental moral question.  Stealing is wrong.
> Making a copy of a progam is stealing (not borrowing or sharing- unless
> you're taking it back).  It's wrong, wrong, wrong.  If someone says it's
> okay, they're wrong.  Period.  And to not say it's wrong is to allow them
to
> feel okay about what they've done.  You've condoned the action and I
cannot
> condone it.
>
>
>
> > Take other
> > peoples thoughts into consideration. Of course, its human nature to
> > disagree, but don't just say this is how it is because this
> > is what I say
> > and I'm always right.
>
> 'take other peoples thoughts into consideration'.  I'm curious as to what
> you mean here.  To me, all I hear is people rationalizing why it's okay to
> steal when, if they didn't feel it was wrong, they would have no need to
do.
> They fail to take responsibility for their actions and try to justify
their
> feelings of guilt.  I'm not interested in allowing them to justify away
> their actions.
>
> And I don't think I'm saying 'this is how it is because this is what I say
> and I'm always right' or at least I'm not intending to.  I'm saying every
> civilization that I know of treats stealing as an immoral act.  It's not
> just one or two of us.  Those folks who copy and distribute software
should
> have been taught a long time ago that stealing is wrong and no amount of
> rationalization or justification is going to change it.
>
>
> Okay, I'll hop down now and put the soapbox away. :)
>
> SC
>
>
> >
> >
> >

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