Roger,

I normally place the code at the beginning of the page so that it will load
first.  This is probably why it doesn't play until the entire page is
loaded, but if you like that, there is nothing wrong with it.

As far as including the other code, my advice would be to test it in as many
different browsers as possible.  Browsers are getting better at being
compliant with each new release, but I have yet to find one that is 100%
compliant with the standards.  Maybe one day.

I'd also recommend that you use an mp3 format unless your .wav file is
really small.  Wave files are typically VERY large if they are any length at
all.  There are several good programs that make conversion fairly easy.  One
that I use is MusicMatch JukeBox.  It has its limitations, but usually can
do what I want it to do.  If the .wav file is pretty small, then I wouldn't
worry about it, but it's something to keep in mind.

Sincerely,
Keith D Sellars
WebGraffix
Ph: 229-243-7088
www.webgraffix.com

"Making the Internet Easy"



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "PC-Bug Fixer" <help(at)pcbugfixer.com>
To: <hwg-basics(at)hwg.org>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 7:12 PM
Subject: Black Hole and RE: Sound files


> Hello Sophia, and Keith
>
> I did send a previous e-mail to the hwg-basics - list to thank
> you Sophia - but alas it ended up in the black hole (0spam.com I
> think)
>
> I made some changes to the scrip you sent and it works - got the
> W3C 4.01 Cert.
> Now have 3 pages on my site completed.
>
> Changes are as follows, AutoStart = True, and ShowControls =
> False (it works)
>
> <object classid="CLSID:22d6f312-b0f6-11d0-94ab-0080c74c7e95"
> id="mediaplayer1" height="40" width="120">
> <param name="Filename" value="webwav/WelcomeMessage.wav">
> <param name="AutoStart" value="True">
> <param name="ShowControls" value="False">
> <param name="ShowStatusBar" value="False">
> <param name="ShowDisplay" value="False">
> <param name="AutoRewind" value="True">
> </object>
>
> I placed these at the bottom of my web page codes and it does a
> good job in that it seems to only play when the page is fully
> loaded = good on - like that - bonus without knowing.
>
> Now you Guys got me confused, should I be adding the extra codes
> you now suggest, i.e. the -
>
> <!--[if !IE]>
>     <-->
>     <object data="webwav/WelcomeMessage.wav" height="40"
> width="120"
>     type="audio/x-mpeg">
>       ...
>     </object>
>     <!-->
>     <![endif]-->
>
> before the end - </object> ???
>
> Also, did I place the code in the correct location (at the end)
> on the page script ??
>
> Hope this gets on the hwg-basics list if not I have added you and
> Keith in the BCC
>
> Thanks again, from Roger H.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-hwg-basics(at)hwg.org
> [mailto:owner-hwg-basics(at)hwg.org]On
> Behalf Of Keith D Sellars
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 5:55 AM
> To: digitek(at)cytanet.com.cy; hwg-basics(at)hwg.org
> Subject: Re: Sound files
>
>
> Sophia,
>
> Very nicely done.  You're also right in that you pretty much have
> to use
> some type of browser sniffing code and write the code to the page
> depending
> upon what browser is used.  I long for the day when all browsers
> are
> compliant with the standards so that these types of issues are
> easier to
> deal with.
>
> I teach part time at the college in our city.  Try figuring out
> the best way
> to teach things like embedding sound files when there is really
> no truly
> established single "right" way of doing it.
>
> Sincerely,
> Keith D Sellars
> WebGraffix
> Ph: 229-243-7088
> www.webgraffix.com
>
> "Making the Internet Easy"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sophia Kapterian (E-mail)" <digitek(at)cytanet.com.cy>
> To: <hwg-basics(at)hwg.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:33 AM
> Subject: RE: Sound files
>
>
> > You're quite right. I recently had to embed an .swf file into a
> page and
> in
> > order to make it compliant and accessible at the same time, I
> had to
> resort
> > to two nested object elements and use conditional comments to
> have it
> > work in both browsers providing the user with an image if no
> plugins were
> > available.
> >
> > Therefore a little modification to the original code, to put
> the two
> > together:
> >
> > The first object is for IE and the conditional for Gecko
> browsers.
> >
> > <object classid="CLSID:22d6f312-b0f6-11d0-94ab-0080c74c7e95"
> > id="mediaplayer1" height="40" width="120">
> >     <param name="Filename" value="webwav/WelcomeMessage.wav">
> >     <param name="AutoStart" value="False">
> >     <param name="ShowControls" value="True">
> >     <param name="ShowStatusBar" value="False">
> >     <param name="ShowDisplay" value="False">
> >     <param name="AutoRewind" value="True">
> >
> >     <!--[if !IE]>
> >     <-->
> >     <object data="webwav/WelcomeMessage.wav" height="40"
> width="120"
> >    type="audio/x-mpeg">
> >      ...
> >     </object>
> >     <!-->
> >     <![endif]-->
> > </object>
> >
> > Regards
> > Sophia
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-hwg-basics(at)hwg.org
> [mailto:owner-hwg-basics(at)hwg.org]On Behalf
> Of
> > Keith D Sellars
> > Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 3:34 PM
> > To: hwg-basics(at)hwg.org
> > Subject: Re: Sound files
> >
> >
> > As a little bit of added information on your suggestion (which
> was right
> on
> > target), the "clsid" part of the tag instructs the user's
> computer to use
> > Windows Media Player.  The tag only works in Internet Explorer
> UNLESS a
> > plugin is specified (there IS one for Mozilla that will allow
> this to
> work).
> >
> > The more correct standards compliant way to do this is:
> >
> > <object type="audio/x-mpeg" data="soundfilename.mp3"></object>
> >
> > ... although I'm not sure if Internet Explorer will support it
> properly
> yet.
> >
> > In the above code snippet, "type" specifies the MIME type, and
> is usually
> > one of the following:
> >
> >  .au (almost all browsers will play this type of file) - MIME
> type:
> > audio/basic
> > .wav - MIME type: audio/wav OR audio/x-wav
> >  .ra - Real Audio - MIME type: x-pn-realaudio
> >  . mid - MIDI files - MIME type: audio/midi or audio/x-midi
> >  . mp3 - MPEG-1 Audio Layer 3 - MIME type: audio/mpeg or
> audio/x-mpeg
> >
> > In the above explanation, use of the "x-" prefix before the
> audio type is
> > used when the MIME type is registered with the Standards
> organizations
> (like
> > the W3C).
> >
> > Embedding sound is, in my opinion, one of the most unclear
> issues involved
> > in designing a web page if you want to do so in a way that is
> compliant
> AND
> > that works at the same time.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Keith D Sellars
> > WebGraffix
> > Ph: 229-243-7088
> > www.webgraffix.com
> >
> > "Making the Internet Easy"
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sophia Kapterian (E-mail)" <digitek(at)cytanet.com.cy>
> > To: <hwg-basics(at)hwg.org>
> > Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 1:45 AM
> > Subject: Sound files
> >
> >
> > > Hi Roger,
> > >
> > > As far as I know, the bgsound was never part of the
> specification.
> > >
> > > So try the following valid code to see if it works.
> > >
> > > <object classid="CLSID:22d6f312-b0f6-11d0-94ab-0080c74c7e95"
> > > id="mediaplayer1" height="40" width="120">
> > > <param name="Filename" value="webwav/WelcomeMessage.wav">
> > > <param name="AutoStart" value="False">
> > > <param name="ShowControls" value="True">
> > > <param name="ShowStatusBar" value="False">
> > > <param name="ShowDisplay" value="False">
> > > <param name="AutoRewind" value="True">
> > > </object>
> > >
> > > And for more information on the object element and its
> attributes, you
> may
> > > like to go through
> > > the following tutorial:  http://tutorials.beginn
> ers.co.ukreadid315
> > >
> > >
> > > HTH
> > > Sophia
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-hwg-basics(at)hwg.org
> [mailto:owner-hwg-basics(at)hwg.org]On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > PC-Bug Fixer
> > > Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 4:42 AM
> > > To: hwg-basics(at)hwg.org
> > > Subject: RE: I GIVE UP !!!!Re: test
> > >
> > >
> > > OK, seems that the list is starting to work again and the
> posting
> > > I made to the list is on the list the same day (AU EST)
> > >
> > > In some way a list such as this may be a good community type
> > > involvement on an International level and you get to talk and
> > > respond to thing that otherwise you might not.
> > >
> > > For those that do not want to be involved where they get
> > > everything from a community type e-mail list such as this,
> there
> > > is of course the Forum that GIO started, which has it's
> merits,
> > > in that you only get involved when you log in and only reply
> to
> > > things that are of specific interest to you.
> > >
> > > So after all this, I still do not have an answer to my Sound
> code
> > > problem on my main page and would like some help. The error
> is
> > > with any of the 2 codes I have embedded which the W3C
> validation
> > > service keeps knocking back with the following 11 ( 3 on line
> 20
> > > for 1st code and 8 on line 444 for the second code, which is
> the
> > > code as per instructions for their type) error messages;-
> > >
> > > START OF ERROR REPORT >>>
> > > This page is not Valid HTML 4.01 Transitional!
> > > Below are the results of attempting to parse this document
> with
> > > an SGML parser.
> > >
> > > Line 20, column 15: there is no attribute "SRC"
> > > <BGSOUND src="webwav/WelcomeMessage.wav" loop="1">
> > >
> > > You have used the attribute named above in your document, but
> the
> > > document type you are using does not support that attribute
> for
> > > this element. This error is often caused by incorrect use of
> the
> > > "Strict" document type with a document that uses frames (e.g.
> you
> > > must use the "Transitional" document type to get the "target"
> > > attribute), or by using vendor proprietary extensions such as
> > > "marginheight" (this is usually fixed by using CSS to achieve
> the
> > > desired effect instead).
> > >
> > > This error may also result if the element itself is not
> supported
> > > in the document type you are using, as an undefined element
> will
> > > have no supported attributes; in this case, see the
> > > element-undefined error message for further information.
> > >
> > > How to fix: check the spelling and case of the element and
> > > attribute, (Remember XHTML is all lower-case) and/or check
> that
> > > they are both allowed in the chosen document type, and/or use
> CSS
> > > instead of this attribute.
> > >
> > > ?
> > > Line 20, column 48: there is no attribute "LOOP"
> > > <BGSOUND src="webwav/WelcomeMessage.wav" loop="1">
> > >
> > > ?
> > > Line 20, column 51: element "BGSOUND" undefined
> > > <BGSOUND src="webwav/WelcomeMessage.wav" loop="1">
> > >
> > > You have used the element named above in your document, but
> the
> > > document type you are using does not define an element of
> that
> > > name. This error is often caused by incorrect use of the
> "Strict"
> > > document type with a document that uses frames (e.g. you must
> use
> > > the "Frameset" document type to get the "<frameset>"
> element), or
> > > by using vendor proprietary extensions such as "<spacer>" or
> > > "<marquee>" (this is usually fixed by using CSS to achieve
> the
> > > desired effect instead).
> > >
> > > ?
> > > Line 444, column 312: there is no attribute "SRC"
> > > ...">Downloads</A></FONT></P><EMBED
> > > src="webwav/WelcomeMessage.wav" hidden="YES"
> > >
> > > ?
> > > Line 444, column 347: there is no attribute "HIDDEN"
> > > ...c="webwav/WelcomeMessage.wav" hidden="YES"
> autostart="TRUE"
> > > loop="FALSE" widt
> > >
> > > ?
> > > Line 444, column 363: there is no attribute "AUTOSTART"
> > > ...eMessage.wav" hidden="YES" autostart="TRUE" loop="FALSE"
> > > width="0" height="0"
> > >
> > > ?
> > > Line 444, column 375: there is no attribute "LOOP"
> > > ..." hidden="YES" autostart="TRUE" loop="FALSE" width="0"
> > > height="0" align="cent
> > >
> > > ?
> > > Line 444, column 389: there is no attribute "WIDTH"
> > > ... autostart="TRUE" loop="FALSE" width="0" height="0"
> > > align="center">
> > >
> > > ?
> > > Line 444, column 400: there is no attribute "HEIGHT"
> > > ..."TRUE" loop="FALSE" width="0" height="0" align="center">
> > >
> > > ?
> > > Line 444, column 410: there is no attribute "ALIGN"
> > > ...p="FALSE" width="0" height="0" align="center">
> > >
> > > ?
> > > Line 444, column 418: element "EMBED" undefined
> > > ..." width="0" height="0" align="center">
> > > <<< END OF ERROR REPORT
> > >
> > > So does anyone know the correct embedded code, or does W3C
> not
> > > think that sound is an acceptable code.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Roger H.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-hwg-basics(at)hwg.org
> > > [mailto:owner-hwg-basics(at)hwg.org]On
> > > Behalf Of PC-Bug Fixer
> > > Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 8:29 AM
> > > To: hwg-basics(at)hwg.org
> > > Subject: RE: I GIVE UP !!!!Re: test
> > >
> > >
> > > Interesting Bill,
> > > I will do as you suggest,
> > > Reply All and delete You from the To Field and monitor the
> > > result.
> > > However, we still have missing e-mail posts on the list
> > > Regards
> > > Roger
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

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