RE: Critique, Please

Killian:

Since I joined this list, I have read comments from you, so-called "site
critiques", and formed my own opinions, which, until now, I have kept to
myself. I feel after reading this latest thread that I should no longer hold
my tongue.

Your response in this situation to Ms. Starr was harsh. Your references to
this person's religion were nothing short of obnoxious and personally
offensive. Your lack of tolerance for the views of others is typified in
each and ever post you make to this list. Your lack of religious tolerance
in this instance was inexcusable. Simply that. You dabbed these attacks with
traces of stylistic criticism, but basically, you show a sheer lack of
grace, tact, eloquence and charity in the way that you approach and critique
others. You come across as a heavy-handed, arrogant and a pompous ass. This
is hardly the person I would hire to do my web site or that of my company,
which in fact seriously warrants a makeover. In fact, after reading your
posts, and picking up the flavor of your attitude towards others, I suggest
that you seek some sensitivity training and counseling as to why you seem to
feel the need to bolster your own insecurities by tearing others apart.

In short, you sicken me. Don't let the door slam on the way off this list.

Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hwg-critique(at)hwg.org [mailto:owner-hwg-critique(at)hwg.org]On
Behalf Of killian jenkins
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 7:13 PM
To: Starr Wolf
Cc: hwg-critique(at)hwg.org
Subject: Re: Critique, Please




Starr Wolf wrote:

> Killian:
>
> What was the point of your reply? You did a good job of showing how much
> pointless venom you can spew. How about adding some professional advice ..
> or, is that asking too much?
>
> I'd like your feedback in the following areas, please. If you can't be
> professional and objective in your reply .... don't bother:
> >
> >Quit frankly your love for God doesn't have anything to do with web
design
> and just for the record... i know many devil worshipers whose websites are
> incredible.  I wonder who inspires them... ;-)
> >
> [How did you stray to this commentary when nothing in my website hints
> toward religion? Your assertions are shallow and irrelevant. I wanted your
> opinion of my website ... not your views on religion.]

Is not your signature a sitting duck.  A professional designer would keep
their
faith to themselves.  Trust me... the Lord will not rescue in this one.

> >3. The absurd advertising of your association with HTML writers guild
 and
> other web this and that badges) as though it compensates for plain
terrible
> design or validates your worthiness as a designer.
> >
> [I happen to be proud of the HWG and what it stands for as an
organization.
> If you aren't get off the list. I am here to learn and I have learned
> greatly from the listmembers. I will proudly display the logos on my pages
> whether you approve or not. However, I would like to know why you find
them
> so offensive?]

It is a cliche... a gimmick... a way of boosting bravado.  Good designers
don't
need badges unless they come from the IPPA or such.. This does not validate
your
worthiness to anybody as a designer so lose it.

> >4. The terrible download time.
> [Well, DUH!! I told you I was open to speed suggestions. Do you not have
> anything POSITIVE to add?? What measures do you recommend?]

Yes... lose the huge insignificant graphic.

> >5. The ineffective mouseover.
> [How so? Input??]

Just plain ineffective.  The tiny window with yet another dog does nothing
to
advance your site.

> >6. The annoying dog clip art animation.
> >
> [I'm sorry you don't like it. It stays ... get over it.]

Your choice... many which are debatable.

> 8. The amatuer copy.
> [Can you add a little more useable input here? How do I improve it?]

First of all...  the site must compliment the content.  By testimony of your
site, you know very little about webdesign... your copy is poorly written by
somebody who knows writing but nothing about web desing as well.  And i
already
said... it is pithy... terrible...

> >9. The absurdity of 'offering packages'.
> >
> ["Absurdity" .. excuse me? You don't think there are people in the world
who
> like this type of thing? I have yet to be approached by a new client who
> doesn't ask if I have a "package deal". Several clients have given me
input
> about how the packages relieved them of the burden of trying to decide
what
> they wanted. They stay.]

My apologizes... my clients know what they want. ANything you want can
'STAY' it
is not my website... thank GOD

> >[snip] ... being presumptious enough to think your 'packages' accomodate
> all.
>
> >
> >11. No URLS for any of the supposed testimonials.
> >
> ["Supposed" ... EXCUSE ME .. are you insinuating they are fabricated?? I
> didn't know whether I should list the URL's together with the text or not,
> so, I chose not to and wait for input. However, I can assure you I DO NOT
> appreciate your loathful attempt at impuning my integrity.]

Seems common sense... flaunt a reference give us a URL.

> >12. Worrying about validating code that is too simple for a validater.
> >
> [What is this supposed to mean? Are you trully into "cheap shots" enough
to
> throw something like this out there? How can any coding be "too simple for
a
> validator"? Explanation?]

Simple... the HTML you use is so basic a validator is unwarranted.

> >I appreciate your effort but you have much to learn. All i can say is
> goodluck and "god help you".
> >
> [Obviously I'm not getting any help from you.]

I tried.  And had some morbid fun ;-)  Going to hell i know... and
anticipating
it.  As a matter of fact... i just signed a deal with the devil for his
website
;-)

> In closing I'll add that you sure shoot off your keyboard as if you're an
> authority and your code doesn't stink!! If you are so "great" show me your
> work. Where are some websites you've created? I'd like to see what you're
> about. I'd like to see what the list says about your work. I've never
heard
> of you before today.

Where have you been?  My work is traceable through my signature or have you
not
learned about those yet?  Everybody here has a problem with my critiques...
i am
surprised you have missed all the fun ;-)

> If you're as good as you are opinionated perhaps you could teach a
youngster
> like me how to better ourselves ... that is if you can gain as much
> satisfaction being positive as you obviously do being negative.
>
> Starr

Please please.... lose God and find me ;-)  Just a joke... though i am a
cynic
by nature. If anything i have mentioned above is not clear i'll gladly
expound.
Honestly though, Starr, good luck... sorry to be such a hard ass... but a
few of
us exist... you are welcome to rip apart my work... and i am willing to
learn.


--
Best regards,

Killian Jenkins
Web Designer

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