RE: web design -- one Photoshop file with everything ???

> -----Original Message-----
Lisa Scribes

> ROFL Gary --
>
> Here is a direct quote from the master himself --
>
> "I have no intention of being a web designer so I dont need this stuff"
> (but hes "designing" this web project) -- They think I am "so funny"
> here for being so involved (and for "caring way too much") -- that
> includes groups like this one ---------

This is just so true... I know a lot of people like this, especially some IT
graduates doing web design while looking for a REAL job.  I hate this. Its
like Web Design is down there with waiting on tables, deliveriing papers
etc...

I get the "why are you so passionate and over the top on the design and look
all the time" from IT people all the time. Its funny they can't see that
creative element the visuals and process is why some of us do it. Its a
labour of love (sometimes not I must admit!).  They just can't understand
when you're presenting a proposal you can act out the movement of the object
on for a MultiMedia StoryBoard.  They think you are crazy.  Now you go talk
to the Marketing and Public Relations people and they welcome you with
comments like "we just don't understand these techheaded geeks IT" . The web
designer is in both camps, its a  funny road we travel.

> But a question for my purposes at least?
>
> I create the images needed and use Quark to lay them out. This includes
> backgrounds, frames, images, etc.
> It serves the same function as your laying things out in Photoshop --
> to get the client to give his approval to design and layout etc from a
> visual perspective.

Now you see I personally can see Quark is good at what it does, But I'm
really more a home in PS, I just live and breathe in it and my WYSIWYG
Editor.

If I had as much experience in Quark as I have in PS then yes, I would
layout in Quark or Pagemaker.

> Given that I am using the pantone system in all of my applications,
> including their internet pallette, I ensure that I am working with the
> same web-safe colors across the board for all elements.

Do you use version 1 of their web palette or version 2.  Version one was out
on some of the greens thats all.  I have both.

How good do you find the little bit of supplimentary software with the
palettte.  I don't use it much.

> A huge part of it is the client and their willingness to work with the
> constraints of a difficult medium that is constantly changing. Some
> clients will be difficult regardless of the medium in which they need
> your services.

Yes this one of the biggest problems with a client that is new to the
medium.  I now walk them through a mini introduction to the web and bill it
back as consulting if I can, most cases they are happy that someone has
shown them the ropes.

> Lisa
>
> --- Gary Barber <gazbe(at)omen.com.au> wrote:
> > Heather
> >
> > I'm very glad to hear that someone does this too. I
> > find it a very fast way
> > of getting the mockup of the comps to the client for
> > the signoff on the
> > visuals.  After this the normal separate development
> > of the image sections
> > and graphical page areas is dealt with in FW/IS or
> > PS.  The final page is
> > never one sole image (well unless we are talking
> > Flash). The point is here
> > that some people, (me included) find for the
> > graphical interface design the
> > use of Photoshop or whatever as a mockup tool to be
> > fastest way to go from
> > the hand sketches (which some clients think are
> > cute!) to a screen
> > representation of the site.
> >
> > The thing is if you know your HTML well enough while
> > you are putting the
> > mockup together you should be deciding how you are
> > going to implement the
> > final product.  As this will have a great baring on
> > your design.
> >
> > As for the 200+ layers a Final copy (not mockup or
> > scratch file) PS file.
> > I'm with Lisa, max I use is about 20.  And this will
> > be a very complex
> > image.  Mind you thats after I delete the just in
> > case this doesn't work
> > duplicates; hey I don't trust things these days, and
> > time is sometimes very
> > short.
> >
> > 200 is just unworkable, it'ld take you five minutes
> > to get from top to
> > bottom of the layers, I hope he named them well too.
> > Maybe he's lurking on
> > this list ;>
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > radharc.
> >
> > >
> > > While not responding directly to the original
> > post, I do have a related
> > > comment.
> > >
> > > I use Adobe Image Styler extensively to create my
> > web graphics.   It is
> > > extremely simple to arrange the graphics I've just
> > created in
> > > approximately
> > > the layout I want on the final page.   I find this
> > very helpful
> > > in deciding
> > > where I want the elements to go and it is
> > lightning fast compared
> > > to messing
> > > with coding a page.  After all, I already have the
> > program open to create
> > > the graphics in, so why not just move them around
> > the screen into
> > > how I want
> > > my page to look?
> > >
> > > While Image Styler does allow me to save the
> > layout as html, I
> > > never do this
> > > (I haven't ever tried actually, but I would
> > imagine it would make some
> > > pretty funky tables to get things exactly as I
> > have in my trial layout).
> > > No, it is only a tool for me to quickly decide if
> > I like how the
> > > images are
> > > interacting with each other etc. I might even slip
> > a screen
> > > capture of some
> > > text to simulate the text on the page.  When I am
> > done, I place a large
> > > background box behind all the images and save the
> > whole works as a single
> > > graphic or occasionally I might carve it up as 2
> > or 3.
> > >
> > > Now as absurd as this sounds....I then throw the
> > huge graphic
> > > onto a webpage
> > > and use it to show my client.   I can get feedback
> > from them
> > > without having
> > > done a lot of work on the page layout at this
> > point.   I just say
> > > to them in
> > > effect:  "this is what your page will look
> > like...do you want me to make
> > > changes?"   If they do, then I incorporate those
> > changes into the
> > > page when
> > > I create it.   I AM sure to let them know the
> > technique I've used so they
> > > aren't put off if it is slow to load.
> > >
> > > As for someone using Photoshop to do as you
> > described...I can only imagine
> > > he might have done something similar...having one
> > large graphic
> > > as the whole
> > > page, with image maps in areas where there needed
> > to be hyperlinks.  VERY
> > > BAD!!      (Actually I have a hosting-only client
> > that does this often,
> > > yikes!)
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Heather
> > >
> > > _________________________
> > >
> > > Heather Peel
> > > The Net Now
> > > http://thenetnow.com
> > > email:  info(at)thenetnow.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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