My advice - simply be up front and honest.  Inform them that you simply
cannot do any of the work without an agreement to pay you for the services.
I allow each of my clients 4 hours of "consultation time" which allows them
to get me to change whatever is necessary from the initial design of the
site, images, text, layout, etc.

Be very careful agreeing to do anything on a "mock-up" basis.  You will wind
up loosing LOTS of time that goes unpaid for.

If they've already seen your work, then they should trust you enough to pay
you for your services.

Thanks,
Keith D Sellars
WebGraffix
www.webgraffix.com

"Making database sites seem easy"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Maureen A. Barlow" <mobarlow(at)earthlink.net>
To: <hwg-graphics(at)hwg.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: Providing sample mock-ups to potential clients


> Thanks, everybody, for your quick responses.
>
> The potential client has seen my portfolio, and was impressed with my
work,
> but the web developer who is sub-contracting this work has asked me to
> provide mock-ups to help his client make up his mind on logo designers.
>
> I agree that providing a mock-up, especially when design constraints are
> introduced (colors, etc.) basically entails full design work, for which I
> should be paid.  However, perhaps due to naivety on my part, I agreed to
> provide mock-ups.  I have decided that I should not provide mock-ups
without
> either a contract or an initial payment, but I'm unsure how to approach
the
> developer (and hence, the client) with this.  Any suggestions?
>
> TIA again!
>
> Maureen
>
>
> On 5/21/02 11:06 AM, Jim O'Brien speaketh:
>
> > Maureen,
> >
> > Probably one of the best methods to introduce your work or show off your
> > potential as a designer is to point a client or perspective client to
> > examples of your past or current work.  A portfolio is probably the
single
> > best method of showing your work capabilities.
> >
> > I would NOT suggest doing mock-ups for a POTENTIAL client.  If they have
not
> > signed on and committed to you, then they simply don't get completed
work
> > from you.  I certainly consider mock-ups completed work and part of the
> > overall process of design.  I would not commit to a potential client if
they
> > are not willing to commit to you as their designer.  Make sense?
> >
> > - Jim O'Brien
> > "the Design Guy"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Maureen A. Barlow [mailto:mobarlow(at)earthlink.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:01 AM
> > To:
> > Subject: Providing sample mock-ups to potential clients
> >
> >
> > Hello, listees.
> >
> > I have a potential logo design client who is interested in my sending
him
> > mock-ups of a new company logo.  He has given me some URLs for research,
as
> > well as a list of considered color schemes.
> >
> > I have never provided mock-ups to a potential client before, only to
clients
> > who have signed on for me to do work for them.  Does anyone have any
> > pointers or a list of things I should consider before doing so?  My fear
is
> > that without proper precautions on my part, the client could take the
> > mock-ups and do the design himself.  I searched the HWG Graphics list
> > archive and GigaLaw.com for information on providing samples or mock-ups
(in
> > addition to About.com and Google in general), and found no information.
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Maureen
>
>

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