Re: Is ASP the Only Way?

<eric>
There is another point to consider: Much of what passes for NT problems are
really system administrator problems.

Because NT has a graphical user interface, a lot of inexperienced folks
think "gee, I can do that." It looks the same as Windows 9x, so how much
harder can it be, they reason.
</eric>

Eric has a good point. However that being said, Linux is a remarkably stable
system. NT does have a tendency to crash.

I have both a Linux desktop (coral version) and a NT desktop sitting on the
table in front of me. I now use the linux for most of my work and it has
_never_ crashed or recorded an error. I have to reboot my NT every other day
on average!

That being said In my work I do work mostly with NT, (I am not an IS guy)
and have never had any serious problems with NT. Sure it crashes from time
to time, but functions are relayed to a backup, and the IT guy gets things
up and running again in a few minutes.

NT does have some wonderful services built in which makes security, database
access, manipulation of XML files, email etc. very easy.

The problem is as Eric mentions that NT is TOO easy to run, (hell even I
could run it if I had to- not well but adequetly!) so there tend to be a lot
of '2nd tier' people running the systems.

Frank


----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Anderson" <blainesoft(at)hotmail.com>
To: <hwg-techniques(at)mail.hwg.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: Is ASP the Only Way?


> There is another point to consider: Much of what passes for NT problems
are
> really system administrator problems.
>
> Because NT has a graphical user interface, a lot of inexperienced folks
> think "gee, I can do that." It looks the same as Windows 9x, so how much
> harder can it be, they reason.
>
> System administration on any production server -- be it NT or Unix --
> requires knowledge, skill and a willingness to work at it. It requires a
> commitment from the company to recognize that network administration
> requires a skilled person no matter what the operating system.
>
> NT allows people who should never be anywhere close to a server to pretend
> that they are network administrators simply because they can point and
click
> a mouse. And, unfortunately, it also allows companies, who should know
> better, believe that being able to point and click a mouse is the ONLY
skill
> required for being an NT administrator.
>
> I've been fortunate enough to work with competent administrators in both
NT
> and Unix environments. With the right administrators, both operating
systems
> are stable and secure.
>
> But I've also seen my share of system administrators who should be doing
> something else. Many of them are NT administrators. In many cases, the
> problem is not the operating system, but rather the people who are
managing
> the network, and the company's managers who let them get away with it.
>
> Eric Anderson
>
>
> >
> >I'm neither pro-Microsoft nor anti-Unix, but let's clear the air here:
> >
> >NT is no more or less susceptible to viruses and hackers than any other
> >platform out there, regardless of what Unix or Windows users tell you.
For
> >as many Microsoft hacks out there, I can give you an equal amount of Unix
> >hacks.
> >
> >So before you start proceeding down one platform with this idea that
> >another
> >platform is somehow going to greatly reduce the amount of security risk:
> >think again.  Just because the windows hacks appear to be getting the
bulk
> >of the publicity right now does not make it any more susceptible to
attack.
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "MacLeod, William" <WMacleod(at)innotrac.com>
> >To: "'Victor Daniel a.k.a the MacNut'" <macnut(at)pro-usa.net>;
> ><hwg-techniques(at)mail.hwg.org>
> >Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 4:52 PM
> >Subject: RE: Is ASP the Only Way?
> >
> >
> > > Yes, there is a solution.  It's called Silver Stream.
> > > http://www.silverstream.com.  It is a Java based Web Applications
Server
> > > specifically designed for E-Commerce.
> > >
> > > We use it for large sites at my company, but for smaller sites we
still
> >rely
> > > on ASP/Site Server.
> > >
> > > William MacLeod
> > > Innotrac Corporation
> > > Sr. Web Architect
> > > (p)678.584.4006
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Victor Daniel a.k.a the MacNut [mailto:macnut(at)pro-usa.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 2:26 PM
> > > To: hwg-techniques(at)mail.hwg.org
> > > Subject: Is ASP the Only Way?
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm taking a class in e-commerce (part of finishing up my Bachelor's
> > > degree), and there are exercises to do that involve building a
> > > working e-commerce site. A  lot of the customizable elements of the
> > > pages will be done in ASP.
> > >
> > > Now, I'm just learning about ASP, but one of the things I've learned
> > > about it is that it works best on Windows servers running IIS
> > > (Internet Information Server). Because of IIS's vulnerabilities and
> > > that of Windows Internet servers in general (crashing, highly
> > > susceptible to viruses and hackers, etc.) for future reference, I'd
> > > like to know of any alternatives to ASP that will run on Unix servers
> > > (PHP, perhaps?).
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > --
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > >
> >
> >
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